Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

[Daniolaut]

If they didnt have the dps to clear the bosses. Is that not disruption of the other 3 players?

If after 2 or more attempts, I would say yes, the undergeared player is probably the cause of disruption of the 3 other players experience, thus, rightfully kicked.


Although, I would then add, please inform the player of the issue, before kicking them. But that would be player outlines, and isnt required. (Its just human decency.)

[Isala]

As someone who's done IT stuff before, I don't think I've ever gotten a person who's mad at me for right clicking with a mouse while teaching them some basic concept. They usually give it a go and I've never actually encountered what you've mentioned.

The same is basically true for when I've taught people mechanics in dungeons.

Lucky you. I had some guy rant about how we IT guys screw up everything we touch, because he couldn't access his program after we "fixed" his computer. The lazy PoS was literally too much of a waste of space to double click the obviously marked icon on the desktop. We showed him this, and he told us off because "he shouldn't have to do that. It should always be up." The only reason it was not up, is because either he, or one of his coworkers, closed it out, and this fact is more interesting because it's literally the only program that computer is supposed to be used for. But it was IT's fault. I will credit him one thing, though. We DID mess with that computer. Because it had died. The inside of that thing was caked with so much dust, dirt, and hair, that the power supply had died.

[Ama_Hamada]

Honestly, I would attempt reporting them anyway as they are preventing you from completing the dungeon just because the DPS is low. The only way they can tell if it's your particular DPS that is low is from inspecting gear (even then, you meet the minimum ilvl reqs), they brought in another DPS with them or they are using a parser. If nothing else, it will still cause a GM to investigate and see if there is a legitimate reason for the kicking to be valid here.

If it truly is being abused, things like this being a case by case basis, it will help deter players from continuing the abuse.

At the same time, not knowing the whole story, if you're not putting in effort to do good DPS, good rotation, knowing when to AoE DPS and more importantly, how to, I don't blame them for complaining. Unless your gear is broken, I still don't think that should warrant a kick.

You can tell without a parser. regardless it is still wrong unless the lack of dps is causing DPS check failures.

Not to be one of those creepers dude, but, looked up your character on Lodestone. Your gear is "fine" (used loosely- should really upgrade your accessories too), however you really need to get your lancer up to 34. Blood for Blood for the DPS, but more importantly, you lack invigorate. You have no sustainable DPS, especially an AoE intensive dungeon like SAHM (when you get to it).

Basically, you failed to do your part as a DPS, but came here to complain. It's probably situations like this that are why SE is doing the whole role system instead of the cross class system.

They should of removed it in 3.0

The cross class system was based off 1.0

The way they programed 2.0, it does not fit the game and they finally discovered that.

[RaphaelDDL]

Agreed. If they do not want to mentor, do not wear the stupid crown.

Actually some just get the Mentor to use the Crown and that's it

[JunseiKei]

You can tell without a parser. regardless it is still wrong unless the lack of dps is causing DPS check failures.

Not always. An undergeared player can out-perform a better geared player. As much as I hate using accessories of another class to circumvent minimum ilevel, I have done this before to prove a point. Took summoner in full Yafami, using Alexandrian / augmented healer accessories and all stat points still in mind and a friend parsed. I took top to top 4 in multiple 24 man raids, despite being surrounded by players that generally had better gear and main stats where they should be (probably). We even wiped a couple of times. The difference between me and other players is the amount of apathy; I don't like playing subpar in any job I'm on. I might have awful gear, but my rotations will be ones that pump out the most amount of DPS i can with what I have. However, if someone had actually checked my gear, I guarantee you I'd have been kicked, regardless of how much I might have been "carrying."

[bardaboo]

Although I will admit to this happening (once got a MRD in Sastasha that wouldn't even hit anything, just jumped around, I vote kicked before last boss), by the sounds of the OP's post, they were trying to do something. They weren't looking for a carry.

I've seen it a lot unfortunately. .. it's quite sad. There are some laaaazy people out there just WAITING to call someone a try hard if they speak up..

And while my comment wasn't specifically directed at anyone, if i see someone wearing wrong accessories and mobs are dying slowly (plus based on the job they're playing i can tell if they are playing close to adequately) i will speak up or, depending on how recently the last player caught my attention, just initiate a vote kick.

[Ama_Hamada]

Not always. An undergeared player can out-perform a better geared player. As much as I hate using accessories of another class to circumvent minimum ilevel, I have done this before to prove a point. Took summoner in full Yafami, using Alexandrian / augmented healer accessories and all stat points still in mind and a friend parsed. I took top to top 4 in multiple 24 man raids, despite being surrounded by players that generally had better gear and main stats where they should be (probably). We even wiped a couple of times. The difference between me and other players is the amount of apathy; I don't like playing subpar in any job I'm on. I might have awful gear, but my rotations will be ones that pump out the most amount of DPS i can with what I have. However, if someone had actually checked my gear, I guarantee you I'd have been kicked, regardless of how much I might have been "carrying."

I watch videos from my friend, with what i seen at this point, I would not be shocked if a ilevel 200 out damages a 270 person by a mile, it is ridiculous how people can spend all this time in gear but not know how to play? My friend said it can be so bad at times, she feels like just spaming straight shot would outpraze many people. In another video, my friend as healer, and another as tank, where pretty much spiting damage 25% between the 4. However more frequently then not, the healer was actually top DPS on trash while the tank was top for bosses (since the healer needed to actually heal for the bosses.

[Alex_LoneWolf]

... it is ridiculous how people can spend all this time in gear but not know how to play?

First off, I'd like to note that I am not claiming or assuming that anyone here has done what I'm about to say. This is just something I've remembered based on Ama's post.

One of the things I'm seeing or hearing of is a lot is people leveling in POTD, but not trying to learn a rotaton or what the best way to play their class is. Gear is sometimes a factor with low DPS, but so is rotation as well at points. More often than not though, if you meet the item level for a dungeon, the FFXIV team are under the assumption that you can do the mechanics for said dungeon and meet any DPS checks that are also in there.

Most times though, this is not the case, but there are times when people don't attempt to learn a proper rotation for their job.

[Alex_LoneWolf]

If they didnt have the dps to clear the bosses. Is that not disruption of the other 3 players?

1) No bosses were cleared, according to OP's post.
2) I don't think low DPS is what Square had in mind when writing the rule Daniolaut cited. I think they had in mind more of harrassment.

[Ama_Hamada]

First off, I'd like to note that I am not claiming or assuming that anyone here has done what I'm about to say. This is just something I've remembered based on Ama's post.

One of the things I'm seeing or hearing of is a lot is people leveling in POTD, but not trying to learn a rotaton or what the best way to play their class is. Gear is sometimes a factor with low DPS, but so is rotation as well at points. More often than not though, if you meet the item level for a dungeon, the FFXIV team are under the assumption that you can do the mechanics for said dungeon and meet any DPS checks that are also in there.

Most times though, this is not the case, but there are times when people don't attempt to learn a proper rotation for their job.

more often then not it is from rush levelers, person has that one 50-60, 1, 15 and rest ---- (blank)