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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalta View Post
    didant the dev's say the 4.0 story would be separate from the HW and 2.1+ storys and you wouldent need HW to continue to 4.0 content?
    They did originally, however, they ended up changing their minds and making it required.
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  2. #102
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaitoHikari View Post
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    The biggest problem with this is that capturing us and us staying that way until 4.0 hits means we can't do anything with our character...and that the explanation for why it worked other times (leaving to gather allies when we were captured by Ifrit for example) would make much less sense in this case. Truth be told I have thought of other scenarios where the WoL should be indisposed in such a way that even the player can't use them. It would have the part of the story that ends with it being added closer to the time of the next patch/xpac so you aren't waiting long, as well as a big, multiple warnings that you will be locked out of your character for X amount of time (which once the relevent patch/xpac is released won't matter anymore).

    On the other hand as well Galvus is supposed to be a pretty evil guy, even compared to other Garleans. Any attempt to try and "convert" us would probably fail under his command...though given we have yet to see him in action yet still gotta wait and see. I could see atleast one high-ranking subordinate seeing the value in trying though and doing as you said with sending us to Othard, both to help deal with a Primal and try and show us things would be better under their leadership. If handled well I'm certain he could be a well-liked Garlean.

    That said personally I'm leaning towards "the Garleans are entrenched too well for us to take on. We have possible allies who could help AND who would be much easier to liberate, lets help them so they help us! Oh, and Primal killing is your expertise so please help with that!"
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  3. #103
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalithar View Post
    They did originally, however, they ended up changing their minds and making it required.
    I think it is more likely that what was actually said was lost in translation. I always took it as being that they felt they needed some way to skip people to the start of SB as when he talked about it he also mentioned needing some way to recap them of the story so far. Effectively I think he was very vaguely talking about a story skip potion.

    On why we go to Doma, I think its unlikely we get captured. The leader in Ala Mhigo right now is Zenos and Yoshi P has been pretty blunt in saying he will be a completely unmitigated bastard who 'no one will sympathise with'. IF we got captured under those conditions I think if we were getting shipped anywhere, it would be to some kind of detention facility, not for a tour of Doma, particularly since your talking about a place that Garlemald came down on hard as an example to the other provinces only a couple of years ago. It wouldn't be the best example Garlemald could call on.
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  4. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualblade View Post
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    Eh... I don't think THAT would be the expansion hook like the Ul'dah banquet was. It'd obviously happen a short time into the expansion itself, but would involve having to watch several cutscenes/do several instanced duties in a row.

    That said, I now realize the scenario I'm thinking of has zero chance of happening, because one of the revealed dungeons for the expansions is visible on the world map - the ship graveyard to the south, which indicates the WoL is journeying to Doma by sea.
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  5. #105
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    Its worth noting that Zenos has a very Samurai look to him. It could be that something about his character is tied to Doma and that is what leads us there. Digging into the FF12 theme, perhaps he has a power behind him that he found in Doma and we travel there trying to figure out the source of it.
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  6. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaitoHikari View Post
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    My bad then, was mixing mine and your ideas in my head and it came to thinking you ment at the end of 3.56 and all that. That said your scenario could still work, just because Garleans love their airships doesn't mean they wouldn't have "normal" ships to use. Could be all kind of reason to go by water instead of by flight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Belhi View Post
    Its worth noting that Zenos has a very Samurai look to him. It could be that something about his character is tied to Doma and that is what leads us there. Digging into the FF12 theme, perhaps he has a power behind him that he found in Doma and we travel there trying to figure out the source of it.
    I don't remember who said it but in one of the other recent threads someone had the idea that Garlemald sends conscripts to other countries instead of having them fight in their homeland, specifically that maybe those from the Doma area are sent to Ala Mhigo and vice-versa. Maybe Zolvus is the ultimate representative of this even if only in job type.
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    Personally I'm hoping that the comment about Zenos being someone 'nobody will sympathise with' refers to the fact that even his own people will detest him. If he does seize power than it's likely those of a similar disposition to Regula will speak and act against him. I think it'd be bitterly disappointing if he's just someone who is evil for the sake of being evil and much of Garlemald conveniently stands behind him. Efficiency is a large part of Garlean culture - so it wouldn't make much sense to begin with...so hopefully that isn't the route they're going down. Let's not forget that not everybody in Garlemald supported the plot to throw Dalamud at Eorzea...
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  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualblade View Post
    My bad then, was mixing mine and your ideas in my head and it came to thinking you ment at the end of 3.56 and all that. That said your scenario could still work, just because Garleans love their airships doesn't mean they wouldn't have "normal" ships to use. Could be all kind of reason to go by water instead of by flight.
    'Capture and being transported to Othard' scenario is unfortunately a lot less plausible when an actual dungeon is thrown into the mix, unless the devs plan to prevent players from returning to do other things in Eorzea until the dungeon is cleared and they get rescued at Othard proper, which is... Not happening. A 1 hour cutscene/solo duty montage would fit this sort of scenario, but a dungeon being involved... Nope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaitoHikari View Post
    'Capture and being transported to Othard' scenario is unfortunately a lot less plausible when an actual dungeon is thrown into the mix, unless the devs plan to prevent players from returning to do other things in Eorzea until the dungeon is cleared and they get rescued at Othard proper, which is... Not happening. A 1 hour cutscene/solo duty montage would fit this sort of scenario, but a dungeon being involved... Nope.
    I mean, we do have all the quests on a tight time-table, story-wise, where we can go off and do the 101million moogle quests between opening the instance and actually finishing the quest...

    Heck, you can even go completely off-track during certain parts of the 2.55 ending...
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    On Doma...

    Might it be possible that Doma is not just a city state, but a nation called Doma whose capitol was also called Doma? If that's the case, then Doma could still exist, even while the city called Doma was literally razed to the ground. There might even be other towns and villages in Doma that survived the massacre.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    I may have misremembered - it was from the press conference. When asked why we've not seen Ala Mhigo, Yoshi-P replied that it's because it's under Garlean control and has to be liberated before we go there. I jumped the gun and assumed that meant we were going to liberate Ala Mhigo first... for some reason. (Not the first time my stupidity has gotten the better of me in the last few days.)
    I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption to make, that Ala Mihgo will come first. The last several MSQs have been pounding Ala Mihgo and its plight into our consciousness, the teaser trailer was all about Ala Mihgo, and there's been next to nothing lately regarding the plight of the Domans. While we COULD start off in the Far East with the expansion, they'll need to do some pretty impressive shifting of literary gears in Part Two of 2.5!
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