DPS obsession in farm groups

[bounddreamer]

The Zurvan groups with dps good enough to skip soar have tended to be the best groups I was in/managed. Even better when soar is performed correctly and a dps gets to use LB3 at the end.

While it's true that mechanics are more important than high dps, there's a certain point where you look at a solo tank group that can't skip soar and go "mmm...someone's getting carried."

[thegreatonemal]

While I understand and tend to agree with your statement.

Zurvan

Dps allows you to skip one mechanic in that fight which is a mechanic you still need to do the second time around, no lb 2 will not save you if you have if people still don't know how to do the mechanic all lb 2 does is change the two hits in a single mechanic= instant death and makes it a 3 hit. skipping it is nice but changes nothing for the grand scheme of the fight.

[Arutan]

Dps allows you to skip one mechanic in that fight which is a mechanic you still need to do the second time around, no lb 2 will not save you if you have if people still don't know how to do the mechanic all lb 2 does is change the two hits in a single mechanic= instant death and makes it a 3 hit. skipping it is nice but changes nothing for the grand scheme of the fight.

Skipping it only allow people with a parser to not have a "pause" in th fight where their dps decrease. Poor them.

[Neophyte]

While it's true that mechanics are more important than high dps, there's a certain point where you look at a solo tank group that can't skip soar and go "mmm...someone's getting carried."

If you don't skip soar you don't go solo tank, simple as that.
If you don't skip soar (i'd call it Soar+, because single tank soar is more dangerous) all advantages of solo tank are vanished.. the only point of solo tanking is soar skip.

[bounddreamer]

Realized OP was talking about Nidhogg farms.

Higher dps equals skipped phases, less party damage, and faster clears. Faster clears equals more runs, which means in turn faster totem acquisition and more chance at lanner whistle drops. Everyone wants good, fast farms. It means they have a better chance of getting what they want before the party breaks up. No one stays til everyone gets their whistle anymore.

[Kosmos992k]

2 things;

1) Welcome to the MOAR DPS raid meta that has infected the entire game. Please look forward to being told you're not efficient enough in sub 50 leveling dungeons, and people laughing if you are not as geared as they are and cannot achieve the same level of damage output as they can - or claim they can if others are not holding them back...
2) Calling people insulting and demeaning names on an official forum is a really foolish thing to do.

P.S. in case it's not clear, I despise the MOAR DPS meta outside of the raiding environment. I don't honestly care what goes on in the raiding environment or community, I am not a raider. But I really don't like the raiding MOAR DPS meta being foisted on non raiders.

That said, if this is a farm group, then I have to assume it's a pre-made or PF, you have to know going in that people want the run over as quickly as possible and will max out DPS for that reason. If you don't like that kind of play style, then as others have said, make your own PF and indicate that you are not min/maxing for DPS and are not trying to be as efficient as you can. Basically, you kind of know going into a farm group that the point is to run the content as many times as possible to farm the drops, that means speed, efficiency and of course maximum DPS.

Many regular posters here know that I am absolutely not a raider (or for that matter, farming EX Trials) and don't like the concept of parsers or an exclusive focus on DPS, but come on, if you are farming drops, you don't slow down to smell the roses - even I know that. If you are going to participate in a farm group, make sure that you set your expectations appropriately and be prepared to adjust to the group.

[Emstidor]

I think the reason people leave those groups, OP is because there is a perception that if a group DPS is particularly low, it's not because every single member of that group is performing with low dps, but because there is a mix of decent performers and bad performers.

You might still be clearing in the end, but only one thing feels worse than putting all your effort into something while the person next to you does half as well and drags you down, and that's watching them walk away with the weapon/orchestrion roll/mount in the end anyway.

So your group members are saying they'd rather disband than watch that happen.

It may have a little harsh, but the only time I see parties avoid this issue is when they have some variation of "Low performers will be kicked" in the PF AND THEY ACTUALLY ENFORCE IT. Best farm groups of my life.

[Arutan]

Realized OP was talking about Nidhogg farms.
less party damage

You know this fight is 2 patch old when we were 240 max lol

[bounddreamer]

You know this fight is 2 patch old when we were 240 max lol

I farmed it out when it was current content, so I dunno what Nid farms are like today. I'm speaking of farm party mentalities in general. The farm that I was part of put out insane dps and our WHM solo healed while the SCH dps'd about 95% of the fight.

All in the name of fast, clean clears.

[Lan_Mantear]

Dps allows you to skip one mechanic in that fight which is a mechanic you still need to do the second time around, no lb 2 will not save you if you have if people still don't know how to do the mechanic all lb 2 does is change the two hits in a single mechanic= instant death and makes it a 3 hit. skipping it is nice but changes nothing for the grand scheme of the fight.

By skipping the first soar, you are actually skipping several mechanics on that fight. There is also a Demon Claw/Wave Cannon that will repeat if you take your time getting to 74%. Tank LB 2 can and does, on a regular basis, save parties who don't know how to position themselves during the final soar.

I agree knowing mechanic is more important. But the sad reality we have in Cross-Party finder says differently. If you have high enough DPS, mechanics can be ignored. This is why echo works.