Punish ppl more harshly for abandoning dungeons i.e Dun Scaith or change the system.

[Retry]

Our alliance found the key to solving this issue Saturday night: drink.
We only wiped once the entire raid at Scathach but were losing at least one or two dps per pull (boss/trash)

So, for every dps we replaced we took a shot. Had a good three down before even reaching Ferdiad. No wipes (at that point), and dps output was pretty good.
Even had one person get paired up with us again after leaving and left again. We decided those were double-shots.

Have fun.

[Mirateski]

I mean, a friend of mine ran that raid literally 35 times this week, and only after like twenty or so runs did he start dcing in hopes of a kick. It destroyed his soul, he literally did nothing but DS until friday. he capped scripture on that raid alone.

Replacements are easy to come by, and if a run is going well the only reason someone will leave after getting their drop is because they're dead inside after days/hours/(weeks?) of wiping. Doesn't bother me.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

I mean, a friend of mine ran that raid literally 35 times this week, and only after like twenty or so runs did he start dcing in hopes of a kick. It destroyed his soul, he literally did nothing but DS until friday. he capped scripture on that raid alone.

Replacements are easy to come by, and if a run is going well the only reason someone will leave after getting their drop is because they're dead inside after days/hours/(weeks?) of wiping. Doesn't bother me.

Yep I know his pain did the same trying to get AST headpiece. Understanding why people leave but still to me it feels d***ish.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

People wouldn't leave if everyone did mechanics correctly and didn't waste 30 minutes of people's time wiping to the same boss at the exact same point over and over IE scathatch.

Not come across that really this week was mainly just loot reasons. Most groups I ran with just wiped on last boss or once on scathatch.

When a feature or function are described by the dev team with them using words like "punish" and "penalty" and "ban", it usually means they couldn't come up with a fair system. So hey let's kick the user end experience in the nuts instead.

Notice how many areas of the game have this? How many times have we also seen the "unable to do X at this time because of Y" bullshit?

People should be able to drop groups without getting penalized.

People should be able run a replacement search WHILE INSIDE THE GODDAMN DUNGEON, and be able to add friends and FC mates at will.

Then it wouldn't be such a dumb, traumatizing experience when people drop, and we'd see less thread topics like this one.

Well yes that would be better than what I suggested.

While I understand the pain. "Alliance B is down a healer". But the tank from alliance A decides to pull instead of waiting. Then we die and everyone complains. But increasing the punishment wouldn't help or be remotely fair for those of us who have had to leave for real life issues. I've had people leave mid raid because their child started throwing up. The fact that they are going to have to wait 30 mins because of that already irks me.

This is one of the reasons I posted the thread. We had 6 people missing from the party who had dropped for X reason and then one of the other parties pulled scathach.

[Alistaire]

I outright Duty Failed dunce cap because of the time limit... but I still got my gear so I wasn't mad lol. If someone sees it's a lost cause, then they have a right to leave. 1 player kept vote abandoning twice after every wipe. It got rejected, but they were encouraged to leave by the party because the rest of us were fine with continuing. Replacements came fast anyways.

As a side note, they really should lower the total time on these. If you get a party like this that is that stubborn you're stuck taking the penalty or waiting when there's clear problems if you even take half the time alloted.

[SeriousxSarcasm]

I feel you on the loot frustration. Haven't got a single loot piece there, but it wasn't because of people abandoning, it's because even with a party with 1 SMN and 4 BLMs the damn raid drops 80% aiming gear. A single piece of caster gear dropped last week, and I lost it to the SMN that I ressed no less than 20 times on the first couple bosses. :/

Moral of the story is it's not an "abandon" issue that needs harsher punishment, it's an RNG issue that makes me want to gouge my own eyeballs out instead of running the stupid raid for the 7th time in a row. I even enjoy the raid. I think the boss fights are some of the most interesting I've seen in a while, but holy does it feel like beating your face against a brick wall sometimes.

[ManuelBravo]

If your really concern about it here are some tips,

Do it on the reset date,less likely people will leave.

Always expect people to leave the more you come to terms with it the less it will bother you.

Ask your LS / FC if anyone can come help, you will be surprised how many people want to join raids in progress specially for light farming who don't do ALEX for Anima.

and lastly... Breath first person will always get a penalty, if your worried about loot your still getting tomes so can just use them, for shire gear.

[SuperZay]

No reason to stay till the end if we have our weekly token and loot already. We have only so much free time on our hands so it's better used effectively in something else.

[Shurrikhan]

Why? They get replaced instantly.

If anything I'd just like to revise the LB gauge so that progress isn't removed upon any player leaving or d/cing.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Why? They get replaced instantly.

If anything I'd just like to revise the LB gauge so that progress isn't removed upon any player leaving or d/cing.

You answered your own question there. This is one of the other reasons that it is so frustrating. Yes in an ideal smooth run I couldn't care less but that is not always the case. Also no they don't always get replaced instantly we lost a full 2 parties on Diablos the other night and waited 10mins for replacements. With new people coming in for 2mins and then leaving as they waited too long/ seen how many had left.