Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

[Nixxe]

People are not gonna like what I'm about to say....

First I wanna say I personally would never kick a dps for poor damage...but if they did do that maybe it would do you good to look up some info on your level 60 job. There are a plethora of helpful job guides out there just using google or even the dps section of this forum, I have used them myself & they make a huge difference. And always make sure to upgrade your weapon first as it will have the largest impact on your damage. And as a dps remember damage is your most important responsibly in group content.

I really don't wanna say this because I know it's a touchy subject & a lot of people are gonna get on me but would it be okay if you had a tank that didn't hold hate & got everyone killed, or a healer that didn't heal & got everyone killed? Just because a person chooses to play dps doesn't excuse them of their responsibilities. You can't just use the "I'm new" excuse forever. And in some instances, there are dps checks, where low dps will wipe the group. You did Sohr, so you're actually close to one of those instances now against a certain dragon...


Anyway that mentor was still in the wrong. They're supposed to mentor aka help. Not whine & kick the new people they're supposed to help. Sigh...

There's a pretty big difference between kicking someone after a few pulls on the same boss because they're such a detriment to the group that you will not be able to succeed with them in your party and kicking people who are a slight inconvenience or maybe just need an extra pull to get things down, especially if they're new to the dungeon or especially to the game. Especially in low level dungeons, they are tuned very loosely so that virtually any group will succeed, though it's possible a wipe may occur if someone really screws up. In such instances, patience with newer players to allow them to practice and gentle encouragement are probably much more helpful in the long run than kicking them for slightly inconveniencing the group, though I know it may be hard for many people to realize that because they'll never see the direct payoff of such an investment, though they still benefit from it, whether they realize it or not.

[Underdog2204]

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Or they might just carry on as they are... You cannot determine the outcome with any degree of certainty.

A vote kick could well be the thing to kick them into gear to get better... I wanna know how you are so certain that the outcome you state is the only correct one. I know if I got kicked for poor performance I'd go off and figure out what I'm doing wrong.

But considering how low the general performance is of random people we can come across I'd say a slap round the head is exactly what some people need. Got a tank give me hugs the other day for "not being a bad MCH"... I was flattered but it's telling how people really seem to enjoy themselves more when everyone pulls their weight.

[Nixxe]

Or they might just carry on as they are... You cannot determine the outcome with any degree of certainty like you are.

A vote kick could well be the thing to kick them into gear to get better... I wanna know how you are so certain that the outcome you state is the only correct one. I know if I got kicked for poor performance I'd go off and figure out what I'm doing wrong.

I'm not guaranteeing anything on an individual level and it would be foolish to interpret my post as such. I am talking about the cultivation of a friendly and forgiving environment where people aren't afraid to ask for help or worried that the smallest mistake will get them kicked. The opposite of such an environment exists in WoW's random content, and I've seen its effects. It leads to people who are unwilling to say if they don't know something and unwilling to take or ask for even the smallest bit of advice because it all comes off as criticism when scathing remarks are handed out like candy on Halloween, which leads to a generally poorer random experience for everyone, even the people who are not directly targeted by such things.

[Underdog2204]

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Whilst I agree with your sentiment group content with random people is not the place to ask for help on the basics... At lvl 60 anyway.

Questions on how to do things on bosses etc I've never seen anyone have a problem with, the only problems I come across are when people do not know the basics of their job. So questions are good and I doubt many people are gonna get kicked for asking one, but expecting random people going through the basics (mentor or not) is being entitled (not that I'm saying that's your stance).

Strangers are under no obligations to help anyone.

[Nixxe]

Whilst I agree with your sentiment group content with random people is not the place to ask for help on the basics... At lvl 60 anyway.

Questions on how to do things on bosses etc I've never seen anyone have a problem with, the only problems I come across are when people do not know the basics of their job. So questions are good and I doubt many people are gonna get kicked for asking one, but expecting random people going through the basics (mentor or not) is being entitled (not that I'm saying that's your stance).

Strangers are under no obligations to help anyone.

Well no, but it's not about obligations. It's about self-interested investment in the community for indirect long term payoffs in the form of a generally more positive random group experience.

[Underdog2204]

Well no, but it's not about obligations. It's about self-interested investment in the community for indirect long term payoffs in the form of a generally more positive random group experience.

Hasn't this been going on for years though? Far as I cen tell people are just getting more annoyed.

[Nixxe]

Hasn't this been going on for years though? Far as I cen tell people are just getting more annoyed.

I only just started frequenting the forums, so I really have no sense of the general experience over time or otherwise, just my own, which has generally involved friendly and helpful people and still generally involves helpful and friendly people. On occasion someone is cranky or unnecessarily antagonistic towards someone else in the group, but these things are isolated. I just hope it remains that way.

[Lilyth]

I wouldn't say "mentors" are kicking new players. That's a bit misleading don't you think? This sort of thing has happened since forever and it's not fair to attribute it to the mentorship status alone.

I'd say, ill-intentioned people are kicking newer players from dungeons and, is these specific cases, they happened to be mentors. So just follow with the standard procedure: report them. No need to feed this "all mentors are bad/elitist" stereotype anymore.