Not the time to charge, cya in 2013...

[Fanzeron]

And there are already 38 pages of it???

[Alerith]

All this stuff about the game currently not being up to launch standards....

Opinions. All opinions. Just like my opinion that it IS up to a launch standard, and thus a subscription standard.

Everyone is very much entitled to their opinions. But neither side should state them as if they were fact.

[Corrderio]

You're right about it not being a fact, but there are more people against Wada's decision than those that are in favor of it.

It might not be that obvious on this forum (Since let's face it, this place is about as biased as you can get regarding XIV) but I know a few XIV sites where a majority of the people aren't too pleased.

[Xbob42]

All the idiots saying "Like it or leave!" are probably the same people who thought this game was the second coming in the beta. Not expressing your opinion is idiotic. Feedback is so incredibly important to an MMO, including feedback as to why people are leaving, or why an idea is extremely unpopular.

Walking away without leaving a reason for Square Enix provides no feedback. Maybe you left because your cat died and now you're depressed? Maybe you left because male Mi'qote offend you? How the hell would they know? They could assume everyone left for this reason or that... but the only way to know for sure, to get proper feedback... Is by us speaking up.

So telling us to "shut up," is like saying "Square doesn't need feedback! I mean, look how well they did without it for the release of this game!"

Idiotic nonsense.

You aren't moderators, you didn't buy us our copies of the game, so you have no right whatsoever to tell us to shut up. Take that shit and stuff it back where you spewed it from. If Square needs you lot of raving lunatics to defend their game, then it's all already over.

[Wynn]

All the idiots saying "Like it or leave!" are probably the same people who thought this game was the second coming in the beta. Not expressing your opinion is idiotic. Feedback is so incredibly important to an MMO, including feedback as to why people are leaving, or why an idea is extremely unpopular.

Walking away without leaving a reason for Square Enix provides no feedback. Maybe you left because your cat died and now you're depressed? Maybe you left because male Mi'qote offend you? How the hell would they know? They could assume everyone left for this reason or that... but the only way to know for sure, to get proper feedback... Is by us speaking up.

So telling us to "shut up," is like saying "Square doesn't need feedback! I mean, look how well they did without it for the release of this game!"

Idiotic nonsense.

Actually, you'd be wrong.

P.S. Bitching about a sub fee is not providing feedback about the game. It's just bitching about paying.

[December]

Actually, you'd be wrong.

P.S. Bitching about a sub fee is not providing feedback about the game. It's just bitching about paying.

No actually you're wrong because I can tell you haven't read any of my replies, or at least the ones where I explain what I'm actually complaining about.

I'm complaining about how SE is going to split this community in half and make a lot of us lose faith in this company. This company can not afford to lose anymore customers. They need us to stay happy and stick around their world. They may just piss a lot of us off enough to not come back in 2.0.

Se are makign themsevles look really bad by charging for a beta version of their game. Even Yoshi said in his recent translated interview that 2.0 is a relaunch, like a lot of you said 2.0 is not.

[TheVedis]

No actually you're wrong because I can tell you haven't read any of my replies, or at least the ones where I explain what I'm actually complaining about.

I'm complaining about how SE is going to split this community in half and make a lot of us lose faith in this company. This company can not afford to lose anymore customers. They need us to stay happy and stick around their world. They may just piss a lot of us off enough to not come back in 2.0.

Se are makign themsevles look really bad by charging for a beta version of their game. Even Yoshi said in his recent translated interview that 2.0 is a relaunch, like a lot of you said 2.0 is not.

they dont need to make you happy
you arent playing the game

[December]

they dont need to make you happy
you arent playing the game

You really aren't a "big picture' kind of guy, are you? So SE only needs to make loyal fanboys happy? That sounds real profitable.

[Wynn]

No actually you're wrong because I can tell you haven't read any of my replies, or at least the ones where I explain what I'm actually complaining about.

I'm complaining about how SE is going to split this community in half and make a lot of us lose faith in this company. This company can not afford to lose anymore customers. They need us to stay happy and stick around their world. They may just piss a lot of us off enough to not come back in 2.0.

Se are makign themsevles look really bad by charging for a beta version of their game. Even Yoshi said in his recent translated interview that 2.0 is a relaunch, like a lot of you said 2.0 is not.

Are you for real? The name of your thread is "Not the time to charge, see ya in 2013" Kilta is that you?

Yeah its not about complaining about paying at all. Nope not one bit:

I don't think they have any right to charge us to play a beta. It's been a year and still no search function, no useable LFG system, and no mail. The game is a wasteland outside of chatting linkshells. Now that tons of people are going to quit, the game is going to become even more desolate. Why am I going to -pay- to play a game that's not even really ready?

I always thought to myself that they would only change when this theoretical 2.0 was released (and on PS3 too)... but to charge us for it one year ahead of time? I understand there are bills to pay, but SE really made a horrible game and deserve to pay the price. I still feel insulted that they even released the game in the first place.

I only log in to play around, check to see what's changed, and log out, and I'm sure at least 50% of the players are exactly like me (if not more).

Don't get me wrong, I had a huge smile on my face as I read through the announcement and saw the PDFs about 2.0... but I'm not paying for 1.9, or 1.20.

Unfortunately, they are probably making the wrong decision on behalf of the players. I already feel insulted -again-. For the entire 2012 I'm going to be pissed at them for not allowing the people who payed 50+ dollars for this garbage continue to see the updates that THEY OWE US first hand. Now I'm going to have to be a forum dweller.

TLDR: I feel insulted all over again and refuse to pay for beta, a bad beta at that.

[TheVedis]

You really aren't a "big picture' kind of guy, are you? So SE only needs to make loyal fanboys happy? That sounds real profitable.

people who are playing and enjoying the game will pay, thats what matters
there are alot more of those then you realize

people who dont like the game, and dont enjoy it, ARE NOT playing it