Is DPS'ing as a Healer Vote Kickable?

[Seig345]

It sounds like Sylve is talking about players who are trying their best but maybe aren't playing top notch, while Neophyte is talking about a bump on a log auto-following the party and contributing nothing, and responding to each other as if they've swapped what kind of players they're talking about. I think the discrepancy here is intention/effort vs outright skill.

If a player is trying their best, but are using imperfect rotations/forgetting to use certain cooldowns or optimizing their downtime as a healer by throwing in DPS when they're safely able to do so, I feel like you could call them a 'good player' in terms of the fact that they're trying, but perhaps they're lacking in the skill department (I refer to skill as in skill you can improve through practice, not innate skill where they're simply "dumb") and just need more practice or some advice. Unskilled, sure, but they're trying.

However, if a player is deliberately just tagging along and doing absolutely nothing, or outright sits at the entrance doing nothing, then within the context of this game they are a bad player. This game is about cooperation with other players. Your subscription fee entitles you access to the game's servers and the ability to create a character on it, it does not inherently entitle you to play however you want despite (or even TO spite) your fellow players without any form of consequence leveled at you by said fellow players.

[Sylve]

It sounds like Sylve is talking about players who are trying their best but maybe aren't playing top notch, while Neophyte is talking about a bump on a log auto-following the party and contributing nothing, and responding to each other as if they've swapped what kind of players they're talking about. I think the discrepancy here is intention/effort vs outright skill.

If a player is trying their best, but are using imperfect rotations/forgetting to use certain cooldowns or optimizing their downtime as a healer by throwing in DPS when they're safely able to do so, I feel like you could call them a 'good player' in terms of the fact that they're trying, but perhaps they're lacking in the skill department (I refer to skill as in skill you can improve through practice, not innate skill where they're simply "dumb") and just need more practice or some advice. Unskilled, sure, but they're trying.

However, if a player is deliberately just tagging along and doing absolutely nothing, or outright sits at the entrance doing nothing, then within the context of this game they are a bad player. This game is about cooperation with other players. Your subscription fee entitles you access to the game's servers and the ability to create a character on it, it does not inherently entitle you to play however you want despite (or even TO spite) your fellow players without any form of consequence leveled at you by said fellow players.

You understand perfectly what I'm getting at. Thank you.
And now you've said it, that i didn't see the misunderstanding i was making towards Neophytes posts makes me feel a bit silly.

[Neophyte]

It sounds like Sylve is talking about players who are trying their best but maybe aren't playing top notch, while Neophyte is talking about a bump on a log auto-following the party and contributing nothing, and responding to each other as if they've swapped what kind of players they're talking about. I think the discrepancy here is intention/effort vs outright skill.


If a player is trying their best, but are using imperfect rotations/forgetting to use certain cooldowns or optimizing their downtime as a healer by throwing in DPS when they're safely able to do so, I feel like you could call them a 'good player' in terms of the fact that they're trying, but perhaps they're lacking in the skill department (I refer to skill as in skill you can improve through practice, not innate skill where they're simply "dumb") and just need more practice or some advice. Unskilled, sure, but they're trying.

However, if a player is deliberately just tagging along and doing absolutely nothing, or outright sits at the entrance doing nothing, then within the context of this game they are a bad player. This game is about cooperation with other players. Your subscription fee entitles you access to the game's servers and the ability to create a character on it, it does not inherently entitle you to play however you want despite (or even TO spite) your fellow players without any form of consequence leveled at you by said fellow players.

My evil twin. D: (Or wait, am I the evil one?)

I think I made it pretty clear that I talk about players "refusing" to do specific things, although it would make everything smoother/faster/safer (=better); and instead idle or repeatedly do "unneccessary" things (like overhealing with Cure II a tank with 21.000/23.000 HP).

I already said: Don't call the players bad, call their actions bad (if they're bad).
If you have a player who does countless "bad" actions, then we don't have to discuss about the label for that player I think.
Also this is nothing personal. It's just an evaluation of the performance of a specific player.
As said, I don't kick any players usually anyway and because of the low receptivity of some players I don't even mention it (unless it looks like he really just doesn't know better). But I always rate their actions and (in conversation later on) I'd might summarize this under "bad player" .

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Overhealing is bad.
Doing nothing is bad.

Always be casting.


Do your best to keep everyone alive.
If there's no need to heal when your GCD comes up, you might as well throw in some damage so you're actually doing something instead of just waiting.

If you're not confident enough to swap into cleric stance yet, even just practicing by throwing out damage spells without stance swapping can help you learn when you'll be able to stance dance safely.

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At the end of the day, from a tank/DPS perspective in dungeons I solve the heal only problem by taking more risks. I'll tank in Sword Oath/Deliverance/Darkside or
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Well, you should be using Darkside anyway.
It's not mutually exclusive with Grit. ;P