Is DPS'ing as a Healer Vote Kickable?

[Celef]

Not at all, as long as you do your primary job and keep everyone alive you are allowed to do everything you want, of course DPSing is more usefull than jumping around (and if you are very good you can do both ) so go for it ^^

[Voltres]

I think kicking a healer for no DPSing during less intensive healing moments is not polite, but is a valid reason. Throw some DPS here and there when you can or risk being labeled a noob.

[Clethoria]

or risk being labeled a noob.

What is this 2007? Or are you still at a young age where you think being the prettiest social butterfly is what you should absolutely prioritize?

[Crysten]

Well, you should be using Darkside anyway.
It's not mutually exclusive with Grit. ;P

I'm well aware of that.

"I'll tank with no Grit and just use Darkside" if you really need the clarification.

[Ageofwar]

what drives me nuts it when I as a DPS are on the verge of death I look up at the party list AND THE HEALER IS CASTING AERO

if you are a healer and don't healer then you have no right to go into DF as a healer

[DynamoAce]

I believe you can get away with that but

Think about how bad that looks on the one kicking.

"I don't like that you're killing things on top of keeping us alive, therefore progressing our duty faster."

[Lambdafish]

Not at all, as long as you do your primary job and keep everyone alive you are allowed to do everything you want

Is that true though? If I spam blizzard on BLM I am "dealing damage", if I spam flash on PLD, I am "holding hate. People seem to think they are alone in the instance, when they have 3-7 other people relying on them to do their job not even to their fullest, but at least to a competant level where they look like they put in effort. The exception is when people are learning, but there is a big difference between learning and trying (and communicating the fact), and going semi-afk while you "do your job".

Also, you don't need to be very good to DPS while healing, SCH is literally designed around the idea (fairy, plus skills like rouse), and WHM/AST have plenty of healing tools that give lots of downtime.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

What does it matter to me if the healer is or isn't dpsing? Well, most heal only healers are better at keeping the group healthy than the thrillseekers that like to let the tank drop too low to recover promptly from while dpsing like a madman, but some people also like wiping, apparently. So long as we win and I'm happy with my performance, I dunnot care about anyone else's 'efforts'.

[Sylve]

Is that true though? If I spam blizzard on BLM I am "dealing damage", if I spam flash on PLD, I am "holding hate. People seem to think they are alone in the instance, when they have 3-7 other people relying on them to do their job not even to their fullest, but at least to a competant level where they look like they put in effort. The exception is when people are learning, but there is a big difference between learning and trying (and communicating the fact), and going semi-afk while you "do your job".

Also, you don't need to be very good to DPS while healing, SCH is literally designed around the idea (fairy, plus skills like rouse), and WHM/AST have plenty of healing tools that give lots of downtime.

I wouldn't ever call it acceptable for any player to behave like that in a party. But its also unnacceptable to me not to try to help them.
A particularly good memory for me is back in early ARR, Aurum Vale. Had a BLM exclusively cast Fire III till empty and then Blizzard III till full.
I asked the party to hold up, told the BLM what she was doing wrong and gave her a proper rotation to try. She saw the difference immediately, Thanked me for the help, and went on to beat the other DD in the party on damage. I actually had to work to hold enmity off her.

There are people receptive to good advice. We should always try to guide a player who isn't playing properly before making the decision to kick.
Unfortunately, the majority of players in the DF only care about getting to the end as efficiently as possible, treating anyone who isn't playing perfectly as detrimental to them.

If we all stopped and took a moment to try and help an underperforming player, we'd easily be able to separate the 'unskilled but willing to learn' from the ones who are just plain bad and deserve a kick.

(thats not a dig at you, just a general observation)

I believe you can get away with that but

Think about how bad that looks on the one kicking.

"I don't like that you're killing things on top of keeping us alive, therefore progressing our duty faster."

Looking at it from the point of view of the kicked Healer,
"i was keeping everyone alive and not running out of MP, but i was kicked out?"

Kicking in either situation isn't polite or helpful for the one who got kicked.

Without being informed why they're getting kicked, they're just going to get confused.
Potential solution there is to make the reason for the kick displayed to the one who got kicked, similar to how the party gets the notification when choosing to kick or not.

[DynamoAce]

Kicking in either situation isn't polite or helpful for the one who got kicked.

Without being informed why they're getting kicked, they're just going to get confused.
Potential solution there is to make the reason for the kick displayed to the one who got kicked, similar to how the party gets the notification when choosing to kick or not.

Yeah agreed, sometimes there are some who do things wrong without realizing it so that would really help.
But in the case of "difference in playstyle" sometimes it does suck to go through that. It would be interesting if queing for duty finder had an option for letting you que with those that have a certain playstyle, maybe a setting for that like how they do for languages.