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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    How is it nothing wrong with it , if you cant handle the content then you don't deserve the clear
    Fact is, only SOLO play is where YOUR skill controls the outcome, in 8+ group content there's always someone else who can carry you if you're not up to it yet you can still get the rewards for slacking, so titles etc. for group content are largely illusory when it comes to identifying the 'goodz' from the 'badz'.
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    Last edited by Pintsized; 01-27-2017 at 04:18 AM.

  2. #62
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    dragonseth07's Avatar
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    Ratithgar Jovasch
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    Sargatanas
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    Paladin Lv 90
    You're saying things like you're not tooting your own horn, you're not elitist, you don't care. And then you say that the rewards should be more limited because it's too easy to get them unsynced or via a bought clear.

    Can you seriously not see the discrepancy here? You obviously care about how people get the rewards and don't want to see "undeserved" clears rewarded. You're trying desperately to pretend that you aren't the textbook definition of elitist (on the subject of rewards), but you are.
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  3. #63
    Player ManuelBravo's Avatar
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    Shinigami Zetta
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    Balmung
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by dragonseth07 View Post
    The same as RMT? Holy crap, man. I think you might be the one fooling himself.
    sigh it's a metaphor. Look at this way, no jobs leveled except one, no crafting or land, and perhaps even a sprout paying millions. Yes there are some hard working people and I can understand hiring a group as mercenaries. if the Group is asking for Gill clearance in the millions leads to desperation , depending on the player. You may not agree but if even take a bit of time to step back and look at the bigger picture they could be using it as an excuse for gill seller suppliers. That happened a lot in XI and someone even tried to recruit me to do those things. I couldn't work with an FC that did that so I left it after reporting it. You may not agree but it has happened.
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  4. #64
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    Chocolys's Avatar
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    Cait Zilla
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    Moogle
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
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    Because that way most of the players can enjoy them at some point regardless of their skillset. And what's wrong about bringing joy to the players? It's not like these rewards are only available in limited quantity that you need to do a selection for who best deserves them on the long term.

    Unsync so far has only been available when there is a new level cap increase with a new expansion. Echo to a less extent is enabled after a while too.

    The players that gets the item "normally" have the advantage of getting these items a lot sooner. That's the temporarily exclusivity they deserve by beating the content when it's released. Then new additional content is released and they can again beat it early to get these new exclusives, while the "less skilled players" will have to wait for ECHO or Unsync.

    As for people buying clears, they're kind of deserving it as well by putting a different work to gather the necessary gils. It's not like they get it for nothing, they had to earn all the money. It's also another exlusive reward to those skilled players who can afford to carry someone thru the content and get paid for it.

    The whole game is based on that concept. Like for the Relic weapons, if you want to own them early, you have to put the most work, or you can wait for the grind nerf but then you will never own the current best version.

    I see nothing wrong with it, this way most players have something to look forward to, and depending of their commitment they will get it exclusively sooner by beating the original challenge or they will have to wait for Echo or Unsync or Nerf while drooling at those who already have obtained the rewards.

    As bonus, the Echo, Unsync or Nerf alleviate one issue that is inherent to old content: most of the active player base will have moved into playing the new released content, and so it would be harder for new or slow players to build a dedicated team or find parties to beat the old content at the original difficulty.
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  5. #65
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    Equinox Axxion
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    Behemoth
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    Summoner Lv 100
    The funny thing is in ARR there were ppl already two manning the primal and coils before the added the unsync feature
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  6. #66
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    Laerad3993's Avatar
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    Aisha Clan-clan
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    Behemoth
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by ManuelBravo View Post
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    What you're talking about is 4 years old.

    Anyone can save a few mil now, and play the markets, put a stranglehold on specific items, or run a solo FC(like I've done for years with family) and use airships. I think you seriously underestimate how easy it is to make gil now. That, or you just haven't figured out how to properly yet.

    At this point if you can't even clear 1m a week at 60, then yes, maybe you're likely to buy gil. But I really doubt it's an issue like it used to be.
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  7. #67
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    Whocareswhatmynameis's Avatar
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    Fate Bringer
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    Behemoth
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Most of these people don't just want every item in the game, they want every item in the game w/o actually having to play the game... it's sad really. lol
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  8. #68
    Player ManuelBravo's Avatar
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    Shinigami Zetta
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    It's easy to clear a million yes, if you know how to play the market and if you look at the reports about action taken against RTM numbers are still high and don't lie even after 4years. To each their own. But hey what do I know only a Vet since testing of V1
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  9. #69
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    Laerad3993's Avatar
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    Aisha Clan-clan
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    Behemoth
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by ManuelBravo View Post
    It's easy to clear a million yes, if you know how to play the market and if you look at the reports about action taken against RTM numbers are still high and don't lie even after 4years. To each their own. But hey what do I know only a Vet since testing of V1
    Collect 2000 lore. Turn lore in for lore crafting items. List items for minimum price on my server. Make 800k in a day or two. Repeat. Clear over 3m in a week. That required absolutely no need to play the market.
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  10. #70
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    RaijinSupreme's Avatar
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    Dynamo Malevolti
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Axxion View Post
    Im dying of laughter
    lmao no but this is literally what he said in one of the other threads OP mentioned.

    But for those who havent like seeing people I know that didnt even do a single arr clear sync with a mount is just not right. You dont deserve that mount get off of it, and SE shouldn't allow this they gate everyyy thing else but they let people who cant even get a sync clear get rewards
    We'll just call it the EMPD.

    The Eorzean Mount Police Department.
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