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    Quote Originally Posted by Tam_Hawkins View Post
    I wouldn't be so sure of that not beeing the actuall Rhalgr.
    The rule of creating something new out of their imagination only applies for beeings that where not primals before like Good KIng Moogle Mog and Shiva which were a living Moggle and Elezen in the past, for all we know the twelve are nothing different from Primals like Garuda and such (don't forget they are gods for the wild tribes) and as far as I know we do fight the actuall gods, at least as far as the game tells us.
    Actually, I think I read somewhere that Garuda is actually based on distorted legends of the Allagan researcher in charge of creating the Iksalions (who later became the Ixal)? Something in the Lore book, maybe? It's entirely possible that EVERY Primal has some real, historical figure behind it, but most have been lost to myth and legend.

    We have direct evidence that Shiva and Bahamut bear little resemblance to their "real" selves, and Moggle Mog is likely in a similar boat. Until given other evidence, it's logical to assume that all primals work the same way; they are constructs created from the prayers of their followers who may have no resemblance to their original selves (if there even WAS an original self to begin with).

    Personally, I don't think that any summoning of Rhalgr can be assumed to be the "real" Rhalgr, unless the game makes it explicit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    Actually, I think I read somewhere that Garuda is actually based on distorted legends of the Allagan researcher in charge of creating the Iksalions (who later became the Ixal)? Something in the Lore book, maybe? It's entirely possible that EVERY Primal has some real, historical figure behind it, but most have been lost to myth and legend.

    We have direct evidence that Shiva and Bahamut bear little resemblance to their "real" selves, and Moggle Mog is likely in a similar boat. Until given other evidence, it's logical to assume that all primals work the same way; they are constructs created from the prayers of their followers who may have no resemblance to their original selves (if there even WAS an original self to begin with).

    Personally, I don't think that any summoning of Rhalgr can be assumed to be the "real" Rhalgr, unless the game makes it explicit.
    Garuda was actually the allagan general who was in charge. The Iksalions were genetically programmed to be very loyal to their command structure so its not surprising that the figure they mistakenly interpret their former military leader as their deity. That's also why Garuda has a human like appearance.

    Primals aren't ever the real manifestation of anything. They are literally gods born out of belief. Koji has elaborated on this in interview before. If Ifrit was summoned by a completely different group who's belief on what Ifrit was like was different too the Ifrit summoned would take the form of the image and nature of the different group. It all comes down to what the summo

    ners believe. We get a taste of this in 3.4 when we see titan that behaves very different to its usual behaviour due to the source of its summoning.

    The primal in the glowy sky ball is almost certainly Rhalgr. In stills of the seal forming you can see a pair of human like feet in the middle of all the light.
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    Last edited by Belhi; 01-22-2017 at 06:15 PM.