MSQ SPOILERS!!! Question

[DaikiKiyoshi]

Sorry if it's obvious and I just missed it but what primal was the Griffin trying to summon? Supposedly something stronger than Bahamut himself but I can't think which one. Sorry if this is in the wrong section.

[Amariel34]

I don't think anyone knows, really. We can make guesses though. A friend and I were thinking Neo Bahamut, Bahamut Zero, Anima (FFX), or maybe Hades. Some people were saying Rhaar, since that's who the resistance guys were calling for when they died, but he's one of the Twelve so I don't think that's possible. But who knows.

[Mysteltain]

Most likely Rhalgr, the Destroyer, one of the Twelve and the patron deity of Ala Mhigo.

Also, for story and/or lore related questions, we have a Lore subforum here under the Gameplay section. There's currently a 3.5 story topic in there if you want to see further speculation.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

Most likely Rhalgr, the Destroyer, one of the Twelve and the patron deity of Ala Mhigo.

Also, for story and/or lore related questions, we have a Lore subforum here under the Gameplay section. There's currently a 3.5 story topic in there if you want to see further speculation.

Yeah I figured one of the twelve wouldn't make much sense but who knows. I'll check out that section of he forum. Thanks for the tip

[The_Last_Dragoon]

Yeah I figured one of the twelve wouldn't make much sense but who knows. I'll check out that section of he forum. Thanks for the tip

Technically if they summoned Rhalgr as a Primal he wouldn't actually be Rhalgr. More than likely though the Griffin aka Ilberd will be the new Primal's conscience similar to what happened with both Phoenix and King Thordan since he was directly tied to it's creation. On the off chance that's not the case, then more than likely it'll be something similar to Good King Moogle Mog XII whose primal was influenced by what his people thought of him and not actually having his traits. Since the Ala Mhigans who died at the battle wished for the power to crush their enemies, it's safe to say that this primal will probably not be benevolent like the actual Rhalgr.

[Tam_Hawkins]

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I wouldn't be so sure of that not beeing the actuall Rhalgr.
The rule of creating something new out of their imagination only applies for beeings that where not primals before like Good KIng Moogle Mog and Shiva which were a living Moggle and Elezen in the past, for all we know the twelve are nothing different from Primals like Garuda and such (don't forget they are gods for the wild tribes) and as far as I know we do fight the actuall gods, at least as far as the game tells us.

[Kikoten]

I don't know why, but I thought it was the coming of Omega, myself. Then I remembered that Omega's buried underground and is likely NOT considered a Primal. The only thing I can think of that'd be worse than a Primal (aside from Bahamut) would be something like Necron from the end of Final Fantasy 9.

[LineageRazor]

I wouldn't be so sure of that not beeing the actuall Rhalgr.
The rule of creating something new out of their imagination only applies for beeings that where not primals before like Good KIng Moogle Mog and Shiva which were a living Moggle and Elezen in the past, for all we know the twelve are nothing different from Primals like Garuda and such (don't forget they are gods for the wild tribes) and as far as I know we do fight the actuall gods, at least as far as the game tells us.

Actually, I think I read somewhere that Garuda is actually based on distorted legends of the Allagan researcher in charge of creating the Iksalions (who later became the Ixal)? Something in the Lore book, maybe? It's entirely possible that EVERY Primal has some real, historical figure behind it, but most have been lost to myth and legend.

We have direct evidence that Shiva and Bahamut bear little resemblance to their "real" selves, and Moggle Mog is likely in a similar boat. Until given other evidence, it's logical to assume that all primals work the same way; they are constructs created from the prayers of their followers who may have no resemblance to their original selves (if there even WAS an original self to begin with).

Personally, I don't think that any summoning of Rhalgr can be assumed to be the "real" Rhalgr, unless the game makes it explicit.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

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There's no precedence for one of the twelve becoming a primal, so it's entirely possible that it will become Rhalgr. Though, if the summoned primal doesn't look like a wizened mage with a bronze staff, then it definitely isn't the real Rhalgr.

[Beckett]

I wouldn't be so sure of that not beeing the actuall Rhalgr.
The rule of creating something new out of their imagination only applies for beeings that where not primals before like Good KIng Moogle Mog and Shiva which were a living Moggle and Elezen in the past, for all we know the twelve are nothing different from Primals like Garuda and such (don't forget they are gods for the wild tribes) and as far as I know we do fight the actuall gods, at least as far as the game tells us.

What your point really boils down to is: Does Rhalgr exist? If Rhalgr (and the rest of the Twelve) actually exist, then the thing that is summoned is not Rhalgr, but a distorted approximation of him. if Rhalgr doesn't exist in some form, then this primal is the "real" Rhalgr because that's the only Rhalgr that will ever be in the world.