Please fix or remove housing!

[MomomiMomi]

While your garden plots are maturing at all 3 houses, you're not even there. If you are, you are only at 1 of them at one time. This applies to any mechanic that comes with housing. Even if 3 individual players are all having a party at each of your 3 houses... YOU are only in one of them at a time.

See, you're saying it's not fair because I can only be at one house at a time. But that implies that it's not fair for me to have a house if I choose not to be at it at all. That's ridiculous. It's totally fair for me to not be at my house, and most people who have houses are, indeed, not at their house.

[Evol]

See, you're saying it's not fair because I can only be at one house at a time. But that implies that it's not fair for me to have a house if I choose not to be at it at all. That's ridiculous. It's totally fair for me to not be at my house, and most people who have houses are, indeed, not at their house.

No, its not ridiculous. You see, the head-butt between our opinions right now, is that you are taking what I said personally. I did not imply that you shouldn't have a house if you choose not to be at it at all (though if you are never there, why DO you have one? That'd be inactive, and SE will eventually demolish your house for that. Obviously you won't sit in it all day...). I'm actually saying nothing of the sort.

I'm not saying you did anything wrong, either. Though it isn't fair, and you even said so yourself.

This thread isn't a complaint to you, its a complaint to SE - you are just the perfect example. You have 3 houses, you can't even enjoy all 3 in their entirety at the same time. Yet there are thousands - if not more - who don't get to experience, or even choose to not be at a house - at all.

See SE? See? Fix this, please!

[MomomiMomi]

No, its not. You see the head-butt between our opinions right now, is that you are taking what I said personally.

You did nothing wrong. But it isn't fair, you said so yourself.

This thread isn't a complaint to you, its a complaint to SE - you are just the perfect example. You have 3 houses, you can't even enjoy all 3 in their entirety at the same time. Yet there are thousands, if not more, who don't get to experience it at all.

See SE? See? Fix this, please!

I'm not taking it personally. I'm calling your argument absurd. I did say that it's not fair for me to own three houses. But it's not for the reason you gave.

I'm trying to help you here. Find a better argument.

[Evol]

I'm not taking it personally. I'm calling your argument absurd.

Actually, you are taking it personally. And you called an assumption YOU made, ridiculous - not an argument that I actually made, absurd. Please allow me to jog your memory (And mind you, my post was updated several times before you posted this reply...but anyway):

...But that implies that it's not fair for me to have a house if I choose not to be at it at all. That's ridiculous.

If you choose not to be at it at all, SE will demolish it after some time, and make it available. You are free to do what you want within your own restrictions. I never once said what you are saying I said. I even explained it in more detail for you in my 'finished' follow up post.

What IS unfair though, is that you have 3 of them, while others have no option of even having one. What makes me even more upset about it, is that you can't even fully appreciate all 3 houses at a single time, because your singular avatar is only capable of being actively played INSIDE OF ONE AT A TIME.

I never said you should have to give up your other 2 houses, but I do feel strongly that you should. However, there's nothing implemented to force you to do so. So do what you will.

I want SE to fix it, and that's just all there is to it. You aren't trying to help me by getting defensive, in fact its simply just another post that takes it off topic, points fingers. etc.

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Nothing is going to change the fact that players like you with 3 houses have an unfair advantage over others who don't even have the option for one. But again, this complaint isnt to you, its to SE. So please stop taking it personal!

[MomomiMomi]

You do realize that people can argue without being personally invested, right? I sure hope you do.

I'm really not taking it personally. I don't care what you think. I have my three houses. I stated it because I don't care if people dislike that I have three houses.

If you choose not to be at it at all, SE will demolish it after some time, and make it available.

No they won't because all I have to do is enter my house once every 45 days. I'm still not using it, though. I'm keeping it just to keep it. If I can do this with one house, then why does having three change it? I'm not using one, I'm not using three. The only difference is that I have three and not one. Conclusion: Not using my house is not the reason it's unfair.

What makes me even more upset about it, is that you can't even fully appreciate all 3 houses at a single time, because your singular avatar is only capable of being actively played INSIDE OF ONE AT A TIME.

There's another reason why this is a poor argument. Other people can enjoy the houses even if I can't, because they're FC houses. And so even if I'm not there, another FC member can be. Or are you going to say that an FC shouldn't have a house if the FC leader is never there?

[Evol]

You do realize that people can argue without being personally invested, right? I sure hope you do.

I'm really not taking it personally. I don't care what you think. I have my three houses. I stated it because I don't care if people dislike that I have three houses.

Yes I do, but reading into things and assuming, tells me you are personally invested - at least with regard to your debate with me. With regard to the rest of your above statement: that is perfectly fine, I understand.

No they won't because all I have to do is enter my house once every 45 days.

You know as well as I that I am talking about if you choose to NEVER go to your house. That would imply over 45 days. I've been nothing but literal in every single post, unless otherwise stated.

Conclusion: Not using my house is not the reason it's unfair.

I agree, its NOT the reason WHY. But it IS UNFAIR. I don't really care whether you care or not. That's not the point. The reason why it is unfair? SE didn't implement it properly. SE needs to fix it.

There's another reason why this is a poor argument. Other people can enjoy the houses even if I can't, because they're FC houses. And so even if I'm not there, another FC member can be. Or are you going to say that an FC shouldn't have a house if the FC leader is never there?

You most certainly have not read everything I've disclosed in this thread - and you certainly don't have to either.

However, you are assuming yet again what my argument actually is. So I'll break this down into smaller pieces:

1. A FC house has been - since the first post - more important to me than personal houses. I will admit I assumed your 3 houses were your personal houses - I am sorry for that assumption. However, you allowed everyone who reads this thread to think so.

2. An FC is entitled to 1 house. If your other 2 FC houses are personal houses you allow FC members access to - then you are a troll. You know exactly what I'm trying to say and are simply arguing for the sake of arguing. That is trolling. If your other 2 FC houses are 2 other FCs of yours, then you're no different than those I mentioned earlier, who would take the time to do things like ranking up extra FCs on alts just to be able to get extra houses. Its greedy. You showed everyone your greed. Oh well. Not to mention, having more houses for an FC than SE intended people to have - even if nothing in-game stopped you from doing so - is using the facilities in a way that SE never intended players to use them. IMHO its violating terms just as abruptly as selling a plot to a player in-game.

3. Just as strongly as I feel you shouldn't have 3 houses when other people don't have an option for 1 - I feel you should not have 3 FC houses when other FCs don't even have the option for 1.

4. Your FC members can only be in one house at a time just the same as you. So it changes my argument none. Why should your FC have access to 3 houses, when they can only ever truly enjoy 1 of them at a time - while other players and FCs don't even have the option for 1?

Conclusion: Its not your fault. You are not the reason. Yet, you are a perfect example of how the system IS UNFAIR. <---That is a +1 to my argument ---> which is that the housing system, is unfair.

I hate to say this but I'm not going to respond to another senseless stab at my person. Let's keep this thread on topic please. I understand you might like to reply to this particular post - that's fine, but I am done arguing with you. You already agreed its unfair, everything else null & void.

HF

[Clethoria]

There's another reason why this is a poor argument. Other people can enjoy the houses even if I can't, because they're FC houses. And so even if I'm not there, another FC member can be. Or are you going to say that an FC shouldn't have a house if the FC leader is never there?

As a FC owner, and as someone who wants an entire estate separate from it- I agree. I do not fault my members for putting their own spin on the place, but it's not what I would personally want to call my own. My room in the estate is more of a joke room for people to enter. But for my own needs a M sized estate would do nicely. I could decorate it, and I know that there will be some one who enjoys house touring as much as I do somewhere out there to see it.

Even if the owner doesn't log in for a month, doesn't mean they didn't put love and effort into it. And I'm quite sure the amount of players buying up homes and leaving them 100% empty just to say "screw you" is at low number. I'm on a very populated server so getting a home that isn't in The Goblet is a rarity. But I still held out and managed to snag one.

[Evol]

As a FC owner, and as someone who wants an entire estate separate from it- I agree. I do not fault my members for putting their own spin on the place, but it's not what I would personally want to call my own. My room in the estate is more of a joke room for people to enter. But for my own needs a M sized estate would do nicely. I could decorate it, and I know that there will be some one who enjoys house touring as much as I do somewhere out there to see it.

Even if the owner doesn't log in for a month, doesn't mean they didn't put love and effort into it. And I'm quite sure the amount of players buying up homes and leaving them 100% empty just to say "screw you" is at low number. I'm on a very populated server so getting a home that isn't in The Goblet is a rarity. But I still held out and managed to snag one.

I agree too, its nice and enjoyable huh, but that doesn't change the fact that it is unfair. There shouldn't only be a select few who get to own one and enjoy those perks.

My point is simple: Grats on having a plot. I'm sure you don't like the idea of giving it up. Yet, there are thousands that won't get to have the same enjoyment as you, who pay the same sub you do. Those people, won't give a crap if you lose that plot - in fact they'd be happy for it, especially if they won't ever get one either. Just the same as you don't give a crap that we don't have a plot, because you have one.

Rather than justifying greed, claiming you don't give a crap, or saying its lame to ask for the system to be removed until its implemented properly (much like they are doing with diadem atm); Why not relate, as you can - I'm sure - see the point on both sides. I'm not saying you are doing any of those things...its more of a generalized comment for all lol.

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I could potentially hold out and eventually get one too, but someone (and I mean thousands of someones) will be left out. This needs to be fixed.

I'm glad you found a plot though.