Duality

[Sylvain]

A boring cooldown that they should either totally rework and remove from the game...
I've the feeling they lacked idea for the ninja 58-60 skills...
Dream within a Dream suffer from the same issue.

[Ilan]

Both skills are fine. Duality may seem boring to you but it is pretty useful for your dps...

[Ilan]

Duality makes only sense if its used for AE because of the potency. If you like it or not.

[Ilan]

Oh you did? I would love to see your proof for that. Don't try to tell me you are that pro until you proof you are right and everyone else is wrong.

[Zojha]

You say no never do that but you are probably one of these forum math junkies who barely ever puts abilities into actual practice

Well, it isn't hard to use it on either Aeolian Edge or Armor Crush, both of which would be better. I can see that it can be tricky to always use it with Aeolian Edge in an actual fight when you also have to provide the slashing debuff for your party and have downtime, but shadow fang? Uhm...that just seems like a waste.

I personally start off with Suiton - SE - Jug - GS - Kassatsu - AE/DE, depending - B4B - SE - Int Release - SF - Trick Attack - Muti - Raiton/Fuma - SE - DWD - GS - Duality - AE - Mug. From then on, it depends on the fight! I can comfortably alternate DE and AC combo while keeping up my DoTs and use the rest more or less on CD, but sometimes, I might hold abilities a bit for burst phases. Even on a Plasma Shield where you can only hit the front, though, it's better to use Duality on Dancing Edge or even Armor Crush than Shadow Fang. You got 10 seconds after Trick Attack hits, so that fits 4 GCD abilities and 4 OGCD abilities without troubles. I don't see why you wouldn't use it on "any" of the 3 combo finishers instead, all of which are a better choice even without hitting the positional (even more so if you do).

[shweppers]

Edit: Added note about R2+L2 usage.

There's a lot of posts in here talking about using macros to optimize the limit hotbar options for controller. Here's a trick I use to create a lot more hotbar space. I first developed it for my summoner, but now I use it for everything.

I map L2+up to the following macro:
/chotbar change 2

And on hotbar 2, I do:
/chotbar change 1

I usually set the secondary hotbar to moves I rarely need to pop, or things that I would use outside of my standard offensive rotation such as stance changes, second wind, defensive buffs, and LB.

On more complicated classes such as Dragoon and Summoner, I have even more hotbars that I can quickly switch to with L2+direction. Usually it's:
Hotbar 1 = single target
Hotbar 2 = aoe
Hotbar 3 = defensive buffs + utility
Hotbar 4 (SMN/SCH only) = pet micromanagement

I still use the R2+L2 hotbar for moves that I may need quick access to regardless of which hotbar is up. Examples are offensive buffs like Blood for Blood and Internal Release, or OGCD skills that can be used for both ST and AOE.

It took me a little while to get used to at first, but it really has made my life a lot easier.

[DarkerOrange]

Simple fact is you are wrong, and if you used Duality properly, you would do even more dps than you already (claim to) do.

[Ilan]

Simple fact is you are wrong, and if you used Duality properly, you would do even more dps than you already (claim to) do.

Thats the point. If it is his main character and the gear on lodestone is his actual ninja gear, he won't do that dmg because with 537 acc sophia will laugh him in his face.

[Chubby13]

Thats the point. If it is his main character and the gear on lodestone is his actual ninja gear, he won't do that dmg because with 537 acc sophia will laugh him in his face.

Sophia would be crying with laughter because with that Accuracy he wouldn't even tickle her.

[Krindor]

Who even cares its negligable amount of dps from duality its all just flashy ohhahh numbers and another button to press

The practical usage instead of the math is the ability to push out more damage upfront which is needed in most fights if you're wanting to be called a good player. Also if you want to be even thought of as someone that knows anything, instead of just saying random shit, post proof of it no one is going to take you seriously without it and with ff logs being so simple to use that's easy.