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  1. #731
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    bounddreamer's Avatar
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    Talya Stormbreaker
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    Lamia
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Always
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    Casting

    If the party and the tank don't need heals, you're helping the party by, bare minimum, switching to CS and adding dots.
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  2. #732
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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Cassandra Solidor
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    Cactuar
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Feyona View Post
    Yes got that point, but look at it another way. Rolled as healer but not allowed to heal even when necessary, or ostracized for doing what job was intended to do mainly
    Please stop playing the victim. You gave us all one instance where the group turned on you for their faults or however it went. So? I messed up plenty when first adjusting to tanking. A good few times I'd hold Living Dead to the last second thinking it was an instant cast. What happened? Dropped dead with no Walking Dead active. Likewise, I've miss timed my cooldowns and wiped groups before. It happens. You dust yourself off, apologize for the mistake and move on. If someone chews you out, oh well. There are shitty people who won't tolerant even the slightest error. How dare you not be perfect, right? Yeah, they're idiots. Anything they say goes in one ear and out the other. We're all going to make mistakes and we're all going to have stupid parties where people scream over the smallest things. That's why Tales of the Duty Finder exist: we get to laugh at those types of people.

    You only become the problem when you refuse to improve because a bad experience happened. I'll take a healer who occasionally wipes the party because they miss timed benediction or got stuck in Cleric Stance without realizing over a healer who won't even touch the latter. Why? Because they made a mistake while trying to improve. That is okay.
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  3. #733
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    randysquirrel's Avatar
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    Phoenix Silver
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    Alchemist Lv 60
    Why not join a static that is perfectly happy for you to do no dps at all?
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  4. #734
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    Cynfael's Avatar
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by randysquirrel View Post
    Why not join a static that is perfectly happy for you to do no dps at all?
    I feel like this is a rhetorical question, but I'm going to answer anyway: because there probably isn't one.
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  5. #735
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    Carmine Altair
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    Zalera
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    Samurai Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    . Freaking out because someone asks you to dps? That goes beyond deciding not to do something.

    Someone asking is not the same as someone telling.
    Reminds me of that time we ran Tam-Tara Normal together and the SCH we got literally did nothing but jump around while Eos healed, and when you asked her to DPS she bolted on the run. Hilarious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Melondra View Post
    As a Alpha Tester .
    oh ho!

    But anyway, onto something that actually matters: healers who spend 75% of a run doing nothing but overhealing or not casting spells are a waste of the most impactful role in the game.
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  6. #736
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    Judge_Xero's Avatar
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    Divine Gate
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    Exodus
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    And I'm curious. Did anyone during Alpha actually say that CNJ/WHM were designed with the intention of healing with every GCD?
    Nope. CNJ was a DPS class with healing skills even in 1.0.

    Farming Raptors for the first year of the game didn't take much healing and the extra DPS helped to level faster.
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  7. #737
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    Claire Pendragon
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    Mateus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
    Nope. CNJ was a DPS class with healing skills even in 1.0.

    Farming Raptors for the first year of the game didn't take much healing and the extra DPS helped to level faster.
    Both Deciple of Magic could be EITHER DPS or Healer, only doing both, when in smaller groups. Endgame they specced and picked which role they wanted to be. (Such as WHM going VIT for Stoneskin)

    As for raptors, idk, those Fricker hit hard if ur no MRD or GLA.
    MNK could tank with its evasion, though it woudl get unlucky.
    LNC was a joke of a tank, though it had the highest threat, so I was always forced into tanking, since a GLA wasnt going to pull hate off me. But the only fight I didnt tank was Nael, which some better geared DRGs were able to tank that fight.

    ARC was pretty much the only class that didnt have the ability to be 1 of 2 roles.
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    CLAIRE PENDRAGON

  8. #738
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    Feyona's Avatar
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    Reigne Bo
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    Omega
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Please stop playing the victim. You gave us all one instance where the group turned on you for their faults or however it went.

    You only become the problem when you refuse to improve because a bad experience happened. I'll take a healer who occasionally wipes the party because they miss timed benediction or got stuck in Cleric Stance without realizing over a healer who won't even touch the latter. Why? Because they made a mistake while trying to improve. That is okay.
    I'm playing no victim but tbh Im done, you people just seem to cricize any one that says anything that doesnt fit in with how you want the game to be. Dps healer or gtfo.
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  9. #739
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    Li'a Mimerya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    I feel like this is a rhetorical question, but I'm going to answer anyway: because there probably isn't one.
    Believe me, there are way too many. In many statics I did more damage than my SCH offhealers.
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  10. #740
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by Feyona View Post
    I'm playing no victim but tbh Im done, you people just seem to cricize any one that says anything that doesnt fit in with how you want the game to be. Dps healer or gtfo.
    The people here critisise arguments that go against the truth. The game is designed and played in such a way that DPSing as a healer is the most effective way to play the role (and also supports your group the most), and that's the objective truth. That is why it doesn't make any sense to present or support arguments that not DPSing would be a "valid play style". There aren't multiple valid play styles for any job in this game, it's just how it is. Either face the truth or don't, but don't try to pretend there are alternatives for it.
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