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    Melondra Lorena
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalithar View Post
    The offensive abilities you get aren't just for soloing. That's my opinion on the matter tbh.
    Wrong actually. The reasons why healers have DP capabilitys is to be able to solo content like other jobs can. There primary function is to keep the party alive,and if they feel they have the nessary skill they can throw some DPS in to it. But they are not required to. As a Alpha Tester this is how those healing jobs were designed. Players should not be harassed for not DPSing in the healing depart-ment. If they have the skill to do it thens that's great,but they are not required to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melondra View Post
    Wrong actually. The reasons why healers have DP capabilitys is to be able to solo content like other jobs can. There primary function is to keep the party alive,and if they feel they have the nessary skill they can throw some DPS in to it. But they are not required to. As a Alpha Tester this is how those healing jobs were designed. Players should not be harassed for not DPSing in the healing depart-ment. If they have the skill to do it thens that's great,but they are not required to.
    So every other job can't get away with just standing atound, but the healers can? That seems a little unfair and a bit imbalanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    So every other job can't get away with just standing atound, but the healers can? That seems a little unfair and a bit imbalanced.
    Healer don't just stand around,they must follow mechanics just like anyone else. But there primary goal is to keep your party alive. The current sytem in the duty finder is set up so you have the reqired DPS to complte the objective already,unless premaid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melondra View Post
    Healer don't just stand around,they must follow mechanics just like anyone else. But there primary goal is to keep your party alive. The current sytem in the duty finder is set up so you have the reqired DPS to complte the objective already,unless premaid.
    Let me reword that.

    When I said "stand around" I meant not properly using their GCD or MP to keep active. If you ignore your damage spells in most group content there is no way you won't be wasting GCDs with nothing or needless healing. I wasn't being literal. Phrasal verbs and all that.

    And I'm curious. Did anyone during Alpha actually say that CNJ/WHM were designed with the intention of healing with every GCD?
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    Last edited by VanilleFang; 01-12-2017 at 07:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melondra View Post
    Wrong actually. The reasons why healers have DP capabilitys is to be able to solo content like other jobs can. There primary function is to keep the party alive,and if they feel they have the nessary skill they can throw some DPS in to it. But they are not required to. As a Alpha Tester this is how those healing jobs were designed. Players should not be harassed for not DPSing in the healing depart-ment. If they have the skill to do it thens that's great,but they are not required to.
    That is blatantly false. Holy and Gravity are two of the strongest aoes in the entire game. In fact, due to their range, they will out-damage actual DPS jobs. You do not give these kinds of abilities to jobs if you aren't expecting them to deal damage in parties. The MSQ never challenges players in such a way you'd need more than Stone I-II-III. Healer DPS isn't required in harder content because it unfairly pressures on the raid as a whole. Gordias is a prime example of even hardcore raiders cringing. They don't want fights where DPS jobs (and Tanks to a lesser extent) cannot reach the DPS checks without healers. Nonetheless, Savage is community driven. You will find statics in very short supply if you aren't willing to DPS. It isn't elitism to require everyone pull their weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    . Freaking out because someone asks you to dps? That goes beyond deciding not to do something.

    Someone asking is not the same as someone telling.
    Reminds me of that time we ran Tam-Tara Normal together and the SCH we got literally did nothing but jump around while Eos healed, and when you asked her to DPS she bolted on the run. Hilarious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Melondra View Post
    As a Alpha Tester .
    oh ho!

    But anyway, onto something that actually matters: healers who spend 75% of a run doing nothing but overhealing or not casting spells are a waste of the most impactful role in the game.
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