As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Feyona]

To add to the above points though, I can stance dance and do so as scholar in instances like savage normal. Saying that though I does require the other healer to be proficient. With a good healer I can now do it in a9s, because I know the fight as well. Must say as well, that I practically stayed in cleric yesterday in a10n. The other healer moaned, and said ' did I heal that alone?' My friend said 'No eos was there'. Cant win though it feels like. 4500 hps as scholar before I even got my 270 gear hardly standing about

[Feyona]

SE is unlikely to mix up the healing formula too much since they want to keep the game accessible to players without great twitch ability. When you start randomizing targets and allowing for non-tank party members to get blasted without warning, you'll succeed at moving healers further from DPS, but at the cost of alienating many of the "casual" healers who never wanted a high-stress, action-intensive job. Hard to get roulettes and leveling dungeons populated without them.

Yes I would like less stress put on me tbh. Thats why I said I would like more choice how I play, as well. The other healer, In my previous satic wanted to OH, but because Im sch I was forced to be OH. Cos I couldnt do it while learning a10s was kicked

[randysquirrel]

All fights are largely scripted only deviation being sometimes it goes mech A then mech B, sometimes the other way round. You just have to memorise the scripts, know when not much damage is coming and you can throw out some dps, when big hits are coming and you need to be pre-casting heals, and when the really big hits are coming and you'll need your OH to be shielding as well. This is not exclusive to healers tho, everyone needs to learn the fights, and know what they need to be doing, and when.

a11s specifically, if your dps are eating vuln stacks all the time, this is on them, they need to step up. fair enough, sometimes mistakes are made, but this should be the exception, not the rule, as you will absolutely have to adapt what you're doing to cover their mistakes and shield them more. in this fight, pushing phases helps perhaps more than in any of the other turns. skipping all the boss shields, lapis phase and optical sights all helps, the less limit cuts the boss gets off, the less dmg it does, so healing requirement is even more lenient

[AmeliaVerves]

Yes I do understand main heal/off heal. The decision has been made for me, I now wmg main heal so that I can heal more and not as much stance dancing required. Cos I dont feel ready to do it as scholar at the moment. Off heal role is more difficult cos of the constant need to change stance, learn windows more and many more spells+ pet

Hm, this is a very personal and even more limited point of view and it sounds as if you can't handle SCH very well.
With a 2nd healer by your side you can almost jump into cleric always and you don't even need a super precise knowledge of the fights. Just a general overview of the timings, because of your Lustrate. You jumpf off of CS and just throw a Lustrate without cast time and everything is fine.
If you don't feel like you want to DPS with your SCH in Alex savage, then you should really really change class (not sure, think I read you already did?), but with that damage potency the SCH brings along you simply can't join a static and believe they will put you in as main heal. This is wasted potency.

Being off heal is not more difficult than being main heal. You have to focus on other things, but if you are not used to it, I see it can seem to be more difficult. The key is communication. Talk to you main heal. Let him/her tell you when you have to leave CS and help out healing and when everyone is fine just go back into CS.
As main heal you need to have an exact knowledge of when which damage of which amount will hit the group and time your heals in time to do a great job and give your off heal the chance to stay in CS. Not what I am good in. I am good in fast reactions, stance dances, throwing an emergency lustrate and then going back to dps.

In the end it all comes up to your own preferences and talents. Good in planning out everything and healing in time with precasts? Go main heal. Good in reacting fast and bursting? Go off heal.
And personally, I am glad SE planned the savages out that way, because I would probably not be able to raid as healer, because I wouldn't fit in a raid where you have to plan every single precast. There is place for everyone, so please don't complain, stay main heal and ignore the existance of CS, but learn to solo heal without doing damage, so the off heal can have as much DPS uptime as possible.

[Feyona]

All fights are largely scripted

a11s specifically, if your dps are eating vuln stacks all the time, this is on them, they need to step up. fair enough, sometimes mistakes are made, but this should be the exception, not the rule, as you will absolutely have to adapt what you're doing to cover their mistakes and shield them more. in this fight, pushing phases helps perhaps more than in any of the other turns. skipping all the boss shields, lapis phase and optical sights all helps, the less limit cuts the boss gets off, the less dmg it does, so healing requirement is even more lenient

Yes the whole team has to do their bit. I still think too much is expected of healers to cover the teams slack and stance dance. Your a 'bad' healer' if you dont keep people alive as well as do this. My points.

[AmeliaVerves]

Yes the whole team has to do their bit. I still think too much is expected of healers to cover the teams slack and stance dance. Your a 'bad' healer' if you dont keep people alive as well as do this. My points.

Ugh, sorry, but this is sooooo selfish! You sound like a little child here. D:
"They can't handle it, but I am not their mum, so I wont help them out!"
In random groups? Fine, I can relate to that.
But in a static? With a group of people you want to play in long term with? With people you actually want to achieve something? You are a team, man! So stand up for your teammates and help them out if they can't handle the situation by their own! It's not about carrying someone but helping out when mistakes are made instead of insisting on your point; "Not my job. Deal with it on your own... You are not able to push your damage more? Well, thats bad, but not my fault."

This makes me sad.

[Feyona]

Hm, this is a very personal and even more limited point of view and it sounds as if you can't handle SCH very well.


In the end it all comes up to your own preferences and talents.
And personally, I am glad SE planned the savages out that way, because I would probably not be able to raid as healer, because I wouldn't fit in a raid where you have to plan every single precast. There is place for everyone, so please don't complain, stay main heal and ignore the existance of CS, but learn to solo heal without doing damage, so the off heal can have as much DPS uptime as possible.

You are right in some your points , you do need agood main heal to have the up time as sch. I already stated that I do it when its safe. Yes personal viewpoint, cant really speak for other's experience, but if it is my experience then their may be others too, In fact talking to others have the same view, sometimes. Main point- requires good MH to give the space.

[Feyona]

Ugh, sorry, but this is sooooo selfish! You sound like a little child here. D:
"They can't handle it, but I am not their mum, so I wont help them out!"
In random groups? Fine, I can relate to that.
But in a static? With a group of people you want to play in long term with? With people you actually want to achieve something?

This makes me sad.

Think you missed the point I was not talking about my static. I dont mind doing whatever I can for my team, and always have . Its just in general I find too much is blamed on the healer. Even If you are too immature in thinking to understand someone else's points dont resort to 'childish, statements about others

[AmeliaVerves]

Think you missed the point I was not talking about my static. I dont mind doing whatever I can for my team, and always have . Its just in general I find too much is blamed on the healer. Even If you are too immature in thinking to understand someone else's points dont resort to 'childish, statements about others

I will quote myself here, because you are doing the exact mistake you blamed me for. Missing the point.

In random groups? Fine, I can relate to that."

You never said before "in random groups I will not cover bad DPS", you kept your statements very general and were talking about savage and your static before. So I had to do some guesswork.
If that was wrong I apologize for it.

But tbh there is literally no need outside of savage (and ex primals) to give some extra dps to kill bosses or whatever (talking about dungeons and mhach raids). Of course, it pushes everything alot if the healer supplies some extra DPS but again, no real need to do that.

So I don't really get your point. If your statements are not referring to savage and not to your static/ a group to get savage done. Where exactly is the pressure for you to do damage?

[LucyDaernos]

Where exactly is the pressure for you to do damage?

May not be my place to answer but I think she means pressure coming from other players/the community generally expecting healers to help with the dps, not so much the encounter itself needing it. While some people are extremely understanding with new healers still learning the fights and/or just not being so quick at learning, there are certainly others that just place those expectations on healers without considering the healer's personal situation, if they're new or not, quick or slow learner etc. Some people are also better at dealing with pressure and expectations that come with the job than others.

Of course any group is free to switch out someone that they feel doesnt fit in well with the rest of the group. A group where everyone else in the group is learning fast and performs well from the first try may obviously decide to switch out a healer that needs a bit longer to get the hang out of it and memorize the fight and mechanics etc. I'm sure there are all kind of groups around that are more or less patient and have more or less time willing to give their healer to learn the fight till they're comfortable enough to start dpsing some more. You just have to find the right fit for you and find people that are fine with your pace of learning.