As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Feyona]

Ugh, sorry, but this is sooooo selfish! You sound like a little child here. D:
"They can't handle it, but I am not their mum, so I wont help them out!"
In random groups? Fine, I can relate to that.
But in a static? With a group of people you want to play in long term with? With people you actually want to achieve something?

This makes me sad.

Think you missed the point I was not talking about my static. I dont mind doing whatever I can for my team, and always have . Its just in general I find too much is blamed on the healer. Even If you are too immature in thinking to understand someone else's points dont resort to 'childish, statements about others

[AmeliaVerves]

Think you missed the point I was not talking about my static. I dont mind doing whatever I can for my team, and always have . Its just in general I find too much is blamed on the healer. Even If you are too immature in thinking to understand someone else's points dont resort to 'childish, statements about others

I will quote myself here, because you are doing the exact mistake you blamed me for. Missing the point.

In random groups? Fine, I can relate to that."

You never said before "in random groups I will not cover bad DPS", you kept your statements very general and were talking about savage and your static before. So I had to do some guesswork.
If that was wrong I apologize for it.

But tbh there is literally no need outside of savage (and ex primals) to give some extra dps to kill bosses or whatever (talking about dungeons and mhach raids). Of course, it pushes everything alot if the healer supplies some extra DPS but again, no real need to do that.

So I don't really get your point. If your statements are not referring to savage and not to your static/ a group to get savage done. Where exactly is the pressure for you to do damage?

[LucyDaernos]

Where exactly is the pressure for you to do damage?

May not be my place to answer but I think she means pressure coming from other players/the community generally expecting healers to help with the dps, not so much the encounter itself needing it. While some people are extremely understanding with new healers still learning the fights and/or just not being so quick at learning, there are certainly others that just place those expectations on healers without considering the healer's personal situation, if they're new or not, quick or slow learner etc. Some people are also better at dealing with pressure and expectations that come with the job than others.

Of course any group is free to switch out someone that they feel doesnt fit in well with the rest of the group. A group where everyone else in the group is learning fast and performs well from the first try may obviously decide to switch out a healer that needs a bit longer to get the hang out of it and memorize the fight and mechanics etc. I'm sure there are all kind of groups around that are more or less patient and have more or less time willing to give their healer to learn the fight till they're comfortable enough to start dpsing some more. You just have to find the right fit for you and find people that are fine with your pace of learning.

[AmeliaVerves]

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I totally agree to you and I can understand this can cause someone being stressed out.

But Feyona kept referring to Alex savage and groups that wanted him/her to DPS as SCH, which is just "normal" in this game. And the fact he/she never seemed to show a little slight of agreement to statements that were made before by others, sounded more like complaining, than someone seeking for answers or real help.
Yes, people are different and learn differently, but the way Feyona talks seems as if everyone has to be patient and tolerant while he/she is not tolerant at all. This is a game for teams and in a team everyone has to contribute something and make compromises. Including him/her.
Even DPS, which is included in every healers skill set. So if you refuse to DPS at all you are literally refusing to use a big part of your skills, which (for me personally) means you are not able to play your class completely.

I am totally aware of some people needing more time to learn this stance dancing thing, than others, but I think that's what random dungeons and especially 24-raids are good for. A lot of people, decent damage coming in and enough downtime to learn dpsing, maybe with a little bit of stressfull moments. So if you really want to raid as SCH you should be aware of the fact, SCH is kind of the best "off healer", because of huge damage potency.
In order to bring that up you have to practice and learn to get better (if it takes you longer, that is just fine, just keep going and never give up).
If you don't like the concept of dpsing as healer than maybe go as main heal in a static or not go raiding at all.

[CookieMonsta]

You just have to find the right fit for you and find people that are fine with your pace of learning.

The problem is healer is a high impact role with a high skill ceiling. That is why much is expected. Any group would wanna keep rolling the dice for a high impact player who can fill those shoes. As long as potential exists, people want it filled.

[AmeliaVerves]

The problem is healer is a high impact role with a high skill ceiling. [...]

But why does it have to be seen as problem?

It's a benefit for the gameplay and groups! Maybe it is hard to live up to the expectations, but if you want to do endgame savage raids you simply need to be better than the average player (speaking of every single singed player and the overall skill level I have got to know so far).
You can either lean back and stay in comfort zone of not needing to do more but healing to get dungeons done, or you go out there, practice, get better and then train your ass off in savage.
Noone forces you into raiding, but if you want to compete, you have to accept the prerequisites given by the content itself (including the devs) and the playerbase that you have to team up with for entering.

Just as simply. You don't like anyone saying you have to deal damage as healer? Stay away from those people and maybe even the content (just referring to raiding here! It's different in general dungeons, those people are just d***heads!).

[LucyDaernos]

The problem is healer is a high impact role with a high skill ceiling. That is why much is expected. Any group would wanna keep rolling the dice for a high impact player who can fill those shoes. As long as potential exists, people want it filled.

Oh yes I totally agree, I just meant the speed at which they learn/get better, not how good/bad they are/end up being. Of course every group will want to have an awesome healer that's good at healing and dpsing etc because like you said, it's making such a high impact. They can either try recruiting a healer that's already experienced and performs well in their opinion or accept someone still in "training". For the latter, some will "roll the dice"/replace the healer because they dont see enough improvement in a given time sooner than others (which is their right of course) and if someone's a bit slower with learning the fights etc they should try finding a different group that's more patient and willing to give them more time to practise and get better.

[Feyona]

May not be my place to answer but I think she means pressure coming from other players/the community generally expecting healers to help with the dps, not so much the encounter itself needing it. While some people are extremely understanding with new healers still learning the fights and/or just not being so quick at learning. Some people are also better at dealing with pressure and expectations that come with the job than others.
I'm sure there are all kind of groups around that are more or less patient and have more or less time willing to give their healer to learn the fight till they're comfortable enough to start dpsing some more. You just have to find the right fit for you and find people that are fine with your pace of learning.

Thank you, that is one of the very few posts here that seems to get the measure of what Im saying, instead of automatically assumig, that I am abad, sefish healer that doesnt try or something similar.

[Feyona]

Oh again I haveto repeat, I never once said that I was intolrent of people making mistakes. I said the healer is the one to cover them, or expected to. So you have a static group in savage, not referring to my current one, inwhich tanks not using cds appropriately, dps dying all over the place, other healer cant rez for some unknown reason, and I am kicked because I am a scholar and meant to dps. This is the situation I was in. And this is my whole point, and tbh in that case I think maybe the team wanted the healer to carry them tbh. Not the other way round. 50k damage one tank took actually, although aperson only rez at that point. Someone actually came along, looked at the parse and said kick her out she isnt dpsing. Now I hope Im speaking same language

[AmeliaVerves]

bull*** group

I agree, this was an stupid situation and I am sorry you had to discover something like this. Ofc your missing damage was not the reason for wiping in this scenario.

But I find it hard to understand, why you come from: "There was a single group that kicked me, because I was not dpsing and acted really mean." to "The community puts too much pressure on healers and dpsing healers should not be found in general."
I mean, one group =/= the community.

Maybe you should try to find yourself a static instead of going with changing groups? If you find it hard/need more time to learn fights and feel comfortable with mechanics and stance dancing that is totally fine and I am 100% sure there are people out there, who will gladly have you in their group. ^^
But you also have to see that not all people are nice and patient and there are some d***heads out there, who will always tell others off to compensate their own lack of whatever. :/