As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[randysquirrel]

All fights are largely scripted only deviation being sometimes it goes mech A then mech B, sometimes the other way round. You just have to memorise the scripts, know when not much damage is coming and you can throw out some dps, when big hits are coming and you need to be pre-casting heals, and when the really big hits are coming and you'll need your OH to be shielding as well. This is not exclusive to healers tho, everyone needs to learn the fights, and know what they need to be doing, and when.

a11s specifically, if your dps are eating vuln stacks all the time, this is on them, they need to step up. fair enough, sometimes mistakes are made, but this should be the exception, not the rule, as you will absolutely have to adapt what you're doing to cover their mistakes and shield them more. in this fight, pushing phases helps perhaps more than in any of the other turns. skipping all the boss shields, lapis phase and optical sights all helps, the less limit cuts the boss gets off, the less dmg it does, so healing requirement is even more lenient

[Feyona]

All fights are largely scripted

a11s specifically, if your dps are eating vuln stacks all the time, this is on them, they need to step up. fair enough, sometimes mistakes are made, but this should be the exception, not the rule, as you will absolutely have to adapt what you're doing to cover their mistakes and shield them more. in this fight, pushing phases helps perhaps more than in any of the other turns. skipping all the boss shields, lapis phase and optical sights all helps, the less limit cuts the boss gets off, the less dmg it does, so healing requirement is even more lenient

Yes the whole team has to do their bit. I still think too much is expected of healers to cover the teams slack and stance dance. Your a 'bad' healer' if you dont keep people alive as well as do this. My points.

[AmeliaVerves]

Yes the whole team has to do their bit. I still think too much is expected of healers to cover the teams slack and stance dance. Your a 'bad' healer' if you dont keep people alive as well as do this. My points.

Ugh, sorry, but this is sooooo selfish! You sound like a little child here. D:
"They can't handle it, but I am not their mum, so I wont help them out!"
In random groups? Fine, I can relate to that.
But in a static? With a group of people you want to play in long term with? With people you actually want to achieve something? You are a team, man! So stand up for your teammates and help them out if they can't handle the situation by their own! It's not about carrying someone but helping out when mistakes are made instead of insisting on your point; "Not my job. Deal with it on your own... You are not able to push your damage more? Well, thats bad, but not my fault."

This makes me sad.

[Feyona]

Ugh, sorry, but this is sooooo selfish! You sound like a little child here. D:
"They can't handle it, but I am not their mum, so I wont help them out!"
In random groups? Fine, I can relate to that.
But in a static? With a group of people you want to play in long term with? With people you actually want to achieve something?

This makes me sad.

Think you missed the point I was not talking about my static. I dont mind doing whatever I can for my team, and always have . Its just in general I find too much is blamed on the healer. Even If you are too immature in thinking to understand someone else's points dont resort to 'childish, statements about others

[AmeliaVerves]

Think you missed the point I was not talking about my static. I dont mind doing whatever I can for my team, and always have . Its just in general I find too much is blamed on the healer. Even If you are too immature in thinking to understand someone else's points dont resort to 'childish, statements about others

I will quote myself here, because you are doing the exact mistake you blamed me for. Missing the point.

In random groups? Fine, I can relate to that."

You never said before "in random groups I will not cover bad DPS", you kept your statements very general and were talking about savage and your static before. So I had to do some guesswork.
If that was wrong I apologize for it.

But tbh there is literally no need outside of savage (and ex primals) to give some extra dps to kill bosses or whatever (talking about dungeons and mhach raids). Of course, it pushes everything alot if the healer supplies some extra DPS but again, no real need to do that.

So I don't really get your point. If your statements are not referring to savage and not to your static/ a group to get savage done. Where exactly is the pressure for you to do damage?

[LucyDaernos]

Where exactly is the pressure for you to do damage?

May not be my place to answer but I think she means pressure coming from other players/the community generally expecting healers to help with the dps, not so much the encounter itself needing it. While some people are extremely understanding with new healers still learning the fights and/or just not being so quick at learning, there are certainly others that just place those expectations on healers without considering the healer's personal situation, if they're new or not, quick or slow learner etc. Some people are also better at dealing with pressure and expectations that come with the job than others.

Of course any group is free to switch out someone that they feel doesnt fit in well with the rest of the group. A group where everyone else in the group is learning fast and performs well from the first try may obviously decide to switch out a healer that needs a bit longer to get the hang out of it and memorize the fight and mechanics etc. I'm sure there are all kind of groups around that are more or less patient and have more or less time willing to give their healer to learn the fight till they're comfortable enough to start dpsing some more. You just have to find the right fit for you and find people that are fine with your pace of learning.

[AmeliaVerves]

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I totally agree to you and I can understand this can cause someone being stressed out.

But Feyona kept referring to Alex savage and groups that wanted him/her to DPS as SCH, which is just "normal" in this game. And the fact he/she never seemed to show a little slight of agreement to statements that were made before by others, sounded more like complaining, than someone seeking for answers or real help.
Yes, people are different and learn differently, but the way Feyona talks seems as if everyone has to be patient and tolerant while he/she is not tolerant at all. This is a game for teams and in a team everyone has to contribute something and make compromises. Including him/her.
Even DPS, which is included in every healers skill set. So if you refuse to DPS at all you are literally refusing to use a big part of your skills, which (for me personally) means you are not able to play your class completely.

I am totally aware of some people needing more time to learn this stance dancing thing, than others, but I think that's what random dungeons and especially 24-raids are good for. A lot of people, decent damage coming in and enough downtime to learn dpsing, maybe with a little bit of stressfull moments. So if you really want to raid as SCH you should be aware of the fact, SCH is kind of the best "off healer", because of huge damage potency.
In order to bring that up you have to practice and learn to get better (if it takes you longer, that is just fine, just keep going and never give up).
If you don't like the concept of dpsing as healer than maybe go as main heal in a static or not go raiding at all.

[CookieMonsta]

You just have to find the right fit for you and find people that are fine with your pace of learning.

The problem is healer is a high impact role with a high skill ceiling. That is why much is expected. Any group would wanna keep rolling the dice for a high impact player who can fill those shoes. As long as potential exists, people want it filled.

[Feyona]

May not be my place to answer but I think she means pressure coming from other players/the community generally expecting healers to help with the dps, not so much the encounter itself needing it. While some people are extremely understanding with new healers still learning the fights and/or just not being so quick at learning. Some people are also better at dealing with pressure and expectations that come with the job than others.
I'm sure there are all kind of groups around that are more or less patient and have more or less time willing to give their healer to learn the fight till they're comfortable enough to start dpsing some more. You just have to find the right fit for you and find people that are fine with your pace of learning.

Thank you, that is one of the very few posts here that seems to get the measure of what Im saying, instead of automatically assumig, that I am abad, sefish healer that doesnt try or something similar.