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    Quote Originally Posted by Feyona View Post
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    Can I ask... you said you are in a semi-casual static, but do you understand how raid healing works? Do you understand the concept of a main healer and an off healer? If you disable cleric stance, your off healer will have literally nothing to do. You made the argument about enrage being a DPS's fault, but that is because of Yoshi Ps comments about how raid health is calculated, which means the bare minimum a party must achieve. In fights like A11S, the off healer (in my static, a SCH) has a lot of downtime, which means that they should spend their time applying DoTs and using broil, until they are needed to heal.

    You say that you don't want the expectation to be a good healer, but you literally need to learn how raid healing works and that healer DPS is integrated far more than you would expect. The MH and OH collaborate, work out when phases can be solo healed and when both need to be active, and more often than not, fights can be mostly solo healed if the MH is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    Can I ask... you said you are in a semi-casual static, but do you understand how raid healing works? Do you understand the concept of a main healer and an off healer? If you disable cleric stance, your off healer will have literally nothing to do. You made the argument about enrage being a DPS's fault, but that is because of Yoshi Ps comments about how raid health is calculated, which means the bare minimum a party must achieve. In fights like A11S, the off healer (in my static, a SCH) has a lot of downtime, which means that they should spend their time applying DoTs and using broil, until they ar.
    Yes I do understand main heal/off heal. The decision has been made for me, I now wmg main heal so that I can heal more and not as much stance dancing required. Cos I dont feel ready to do it as scholar at the moment. Off heal role is more difficult cos of the constant need to change stance, learn windows more and many more spells+ pet
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    To add to the above points though, I can stance dance and do so as scholar in instances like savage normal. Saying that though I does require the other healer to be proficient. With a good healer I can now do it in a9s, because I know the fight as well. Must say as well, that I practically stayed in cleric yesterday in a10n. The other healer moaned, and said ' did I heal that alone?' My friend said 'No eos was there'. Cant win though it feels like. 4500 hps as scholar before I even got my 270 gear hardly standing about
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feyona View Post
    Yes I do understand main heal/off heal. The decision has been made for me, I now wmg main heal so that I can heal more and not as much stance dancing required. Cos I dont feel ready to do it as scholar at the moment. Off heal role is more difficult cos of the constant need to change stance, learn windows more and many more spells+ pet
    Hm, this is a very personal and even more limited point of view and it sounds as if you can't handle SCH very well.
    With a 2nd healer by your side you can almost jump into cleric always and you don't even need a super precise knowledge of the fights. Just a general overview of the timings, because of your Lustrate. You jumpf off of CS and just throw a Lustrate without cast time and everything is fine.
    If you don't feel like you want to DPS with your SCH in Alex savage, then you should really really change class (not sure, think I read you already did?), but with that damage potency the SCH brings along you simply can't join a static and believe they will put you in as main heal. This is wasted potency.

    Being off heal is not more difficult than being main heal. You have to focus on other things, but if you are not used to it, I see it can seem to be more difficult. The key is communication. Talk to you main heal. Let him/her tell you when you have to leave CS and help out healing and when everyone is fine just go back into CS.
    As main heal you need to have an exact knowledge of when which damage of which amount will hit the group and time your heals in time to do a great job and give your off heal the chance to stay in CS. Not what I am good in. I am good in fast reactions, stance dances, throwing an emergency lustrate and then going back to dps.

    In the end it all comes up to your own preferences and talents. Good in planning out everything and healing in time with precasts? Go main heal. Good in reacting fast and bursting? Go off heal.
    And personally, I am glad SE planned the savages out that way, because I would probably not be able to raid as healer, because I wouldn't fit in a raid where you have to plan every single precast. There is place for everyone, so please don't complain, stay main heal and ignore the existance of CS, but learn to solo heal without doing damage, so the off heal can have as much DPS uptime as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmeliaVerves View Post
    Hm, this is a very personal and even more limited point of view and it sounds as if you can't handle SCH very well.


    In the end it all comes up to your own preferences and talents.
    And personally, I am glad SE planned the savages out that way, because I would probably not be able to raid as healer, because I wouldn't fit in a raid where you have to plan every single precast. There is place for everyone, so please don't complain, stay main heal and ignore the existance of CS, but learn to solo heal without doing damage, so the off heal can have as much DPS uptime as possible.
    You are right in some your points , you do need agood main heal to have the up time as sch. I already stated that I do it when its safe. Yes personal viewpoint, cant really speak for other's experience, but if it is my experience then their may be others too, In fact talking to others have the same view, sometimes. Main point- requires good MH to give the space.
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