As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Cynfael]

I didnt dispute that in my comment. I just stated that a dps/healer works, which actually agrees with what your saying, cos disc healer, was actually like a scholar, but was intentionally made to dps.

Again, healers are different in that they are all inherently hybrid since no one needs a full-time healer.

Given that the dedicated healers can meet healing requirements with plenty of actions to spare, DPS in this game don't benefit from having their allotment of abilities taken up by healer actions.

Basically, it would work if RDM were a healer Job, but since it's DPS, lack of healer functionality is for the best.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Just curious do you play healer in Alexander savage? Because you sound like you know alot about what a healer can do and even how they think apprently

No, but I know the roles and have played with plenty of very skilled healers. One managed to pull over 1,200 DPS on his opening rotation in A11S. That amount of raid contribution is immense, and while many wouldn't be able to pull it off. Even half as much still contributes substantially to the raid.

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How is my experiences false? I specifically stated "I find," thus insinuating a subjective stance. Likewise, I also said my "assumptions" towards healers only stems to those who willfully gimp themselves by refusing to DPS out of principle. You've seen enough of my posts to know I actually support weakening healing potency or readjusting content in some manner to better emphasize healing. Nonetheless, until that happens, any healer who refuses to adapt to FFXIV's design is lazy.

[Feyona]

Oct 26th activity 86.18% overheal 48.65%
Nov 2nd activity 93.07% overheal 33.87%
Nov 9th activity 58.02% overheal 37.43%

Either you're reading the numbers wrong or you're lying.

Not all my fights are posted. Show me a healer that has 0% overheal. Why are you so pedantic? You seem to dislike anything outside your thinking box. Im not hard core watch the numbers meticulous player. Im just an average player that does their best in the situation Im in. Just because I didnt meticulously, state there was a little overheal it doesnt mean Im a lyer. Please dont bother responding to that with 40% is not a a little. Ive done mnay clears since november, and Im well aware of what the hardcore mentality expectations are.

[Feyona]

Again, healers are different in that they are all inherently hybrid since no one needs a full-time healer.

Given that the dedicated healers can meet healing requirements with plenty of actions to spare, DPS in this game don't benefit from having their allotment of abilities taken up by healer actions.

Basically, it would work if RDM were a healer Job, but since it's DPS, lack of healer functionality is for the best.

Yes and I stated I was disapointed It wasnt.

[VanilleFang]

This thread (and couple others) have kind of just devolves into unconstructive (is that even a word?) back and forths. It showcases how polarized the healing community is, and shows that it's hard for us to talk about anything without it turning to an argument. Not critizing anyone since I am wholly a part of the disagreements that go on here but I'm wondering if it would even be worth considering someone create a thread that is unbiased and shows both sides of the arguement and gathers the differing opinions and ideas what healers should do and place it all on the first page for people to look over.

I'm not thinking it would really limit the arguing, even if we try to contain it to one thread, it was just a thought. Again not blaming anyone, nor do even think such a thread would do any good.

[Feyona]

Perhaps this is why parsing is dicouraged by SE because it is often used maliciously against people. Anyone can look at anyones parse and tear their playing ability to shreds if they want to. Your always compaired to the best players and not everyone can live up to that expectation no matter how hard they try. A little off-topic but I wasnt the one that used a parse to call me a lyer

[Feyona]

I'm not thinking it would really limit the arguing, even if we try to contain it to one thread, it was just a thought. Again not blaming anyone, nor do even think such a thread would do any good.

I agree somethig needs to be, idk what tho. Seems to be 2 camps atm. One wanting to choose whether they heal or dps and the other trying to force every healer to dps. Thats how it comes across to me anyway.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

On savage once I was 95% active just healing , not overhealing either. I was told I was a shit player for not dpsing. If you understand what Im saying thats why Im against healers being expected to dps. If they want to its fine, it shouldnt be forced.

See, we need better context here. Were you solo healing or did you simply not turn on Cleric Stance while your co-healer danced between both DPSing and healing? The former makes the group look stupid for expecting one person to shoulder the entire healing burden while simultaneously DPSing. It's certainly doable, but hardly a feat most people will be able to handle consistently.

On the other hand, if your co-healer was frequently bouncing in and out of Cleric Stance while you weren't, then you likely have had ample opportunity to DPS yet chose not to, hence why they were mad.

Perhaps this is why parsing is dicouraged by SE because it is often used maliciously against people. Anyone can look at anyones parse and tear their playing ability to shreds if they want to. Your always compaired to the best players and not everyone can live up to that expectation no matter how hard they try. A little off-topic but I wasnt the one that used a parse to call me a lyer

That only goes to show their lack in understanding context. First and foremost, you never compare yourself against top tier players unless you're among them because the majority in the top 100 buff their numbers beyond a standard composition. They'll have two Bards or Machinists, the Astro will give enhanced balances to one person the entire fight, one tank will solo everything while the healers take a DPS loss to prop up the off-tank and etc. When used properly, a parse does show the overall contribution of each player. I recently did a Ravana Extreme run where I was the top damage dealer as a Dark Knight, who also main tanked. The Monk pulled 450ish DPS-- a little else than half the Astro who had to solo heal because the White Mage had no idea what she was doing and either kept dying or straight up didn't heal. It's moments like where I won't vehemently attack the Monk, but I would have no problem calling them out for their horrendous performance if it were allowed. Why? Because I and a few others are basically carrying them through a fight.

Would some people be jerks with parses? Absolutely. But I suspect SE's stance is more due to the above example. Unfortunately, it also means plenty of people have no idea they're actually doing poorly.

[loreleidiangelo]

How is my experiences false? I specifically stated "I find," thus insinuating a subjective stance. Likewise, I also said my "assumptions" towards healers only stems to those who willfully gimp themselves by refusing to DPS out of principle. You've seen enough of my posts to know I actually support weakening healing potency or readjusting content in some manner to better emphasize healing. Nonetheless, until that happens, any healer who refuses to adapt to FFXIV's design is lazy.

You said "many", and that just hasn't been my experience, is all. Our raid WHM, as well as my BF (who is indifferent to the whole thing and doesn't really "get" why it bugs me so much) are WoW veterans. Meanwhile, me, who opposes the current meta, had FFXIV as my first ever MMO.

Sorry, I suppose I read too much into it. It just seemed like a subtle dig at people from the language you used, but you're right, I shouldn't have gotten defensive.

[Valmaxian]

This thread (and couple others) have kind of just devolves into unconstructive (is that even a word?) back and forths. It showcases how polarized the healing community is, and shows that it's hard for us to talk about anything without it turning to an argument. Not critizing anyone since I am wholly a part of the disagreements that go on here but I'm wondering if it would even be worth considering someone create a thread that is unbiased and shows both sides of the arguement and gathers the differing opinions and ideas what healers should do and place it all on the first page for people to look over.

I'm not thinking it would really limit the arguing, even if we try to contain it to one thread, it was just a thought. Again not blaming anyone, nor do even think such a thread would do any good.

Objective discussion? How dare you!