Not the time to charge, cya in 2013...

[Invalice_Vangaurd]

Will people stop saying this game is in beta, alpha, blah, blah, fucking blah. If this game was in beta, then we would be playing for the sole purpose of testing and would not get to keep the progress we make, yet we get to keep all the progress we make, so it is a poor comparison.

At best you could say we are getting charged to play a bad game, but that's almost completely subjective, and many of us would beg to differ, because we are currently enjoying the game, which is the most important metric to consider.

Regardless, this is a product, that SE has put a ridiculous amount of time and money into, and they have every right to charge monthly for it while they are continuing its upkeep and expansion-- just like every other MMO company. If you are offended by that, then it is on you and your own perception of the situation.

I haven't been on the forums for several days because I'm currently building a custom water cooled system, so my computer has been out of commission. After reading about the changes myself earlier today, I expected to see a bunch of threads with people excited about the new design direction (which seems amazing to me), but instead I see a bunch of people bitching about every little aspect, as usual. Sometimes I'm not sure why I even log on here.

I can only imagine how frustrating it must be for a dev to read over these forums, because no matter what they do, or how hard they work on this game, it seems people still bitch about every little aspect as if its the end of the world-- with little to no appreciation or thoughtful criticism. It's probably a vocal minority type of situation, but nonetheless, I'm sure it gets rather annoying.

For clarification: I'm all for constructive criticism with some sound reason behind it, but it seems more and more the complaints around here fall into the irrational whining category instead.

[Wynn]

Not trolling, it's obvious he's a MAD bro. He's almost the only one in this thread throwing around personal insults, threats and cussing up half of his posts.

He's sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo mad.

English must be your second language. I have not threatened or cussed at anyone.

[Judah]

LOL.. hella made me laugh.

[Chain]

I now declare this thread the official MAD BRO thread.

[Narmito]

I think we do. You're going to be paying for a game that is 50% complete. How do you justify that?

Would you pay for FF13-2 to come out 50% complete and "enjoy" it? Probably not. I realize that some people want to pay to support the games development into the wonderful concept that we've just been introduced to. However when it comes down to it, you're going to be paying probably 120 dollars for a 50% unfinished product, plus whatever you spent on retail.

If anything they need to charge us only half price, like 6 dollars. I'd gladly subscribe for that amount. Or start the subscription later in the future -- like the summer after the server fixes get implemented so we can actually have meaningful gameplay.



You're not getting a new 50 60 dollar game for free. Its the game we should have gotten for 90 dollars at launch. Don't be delusional.

what do you prefer to give you 1 year content for version 1 and pay for the expasion version 2 do you think its better that ?

they giving you the chance if you dont like to play the prequel to leave and play something else and come back again at version 2 and DOWNLOAD FREE your GAME!!!

stop asking about your game that you have bought ....THEY GONNA GIVE YOU AT 2012-2013 FREE !!!

they just want to make the version 1 Prequel Because they are making a NEW final fantasy for all the fans that bought the game 1 year ago AND THEY GOING TO GIVE US THE VERSION 2 FREE !!!! !!! OH MY GOD !! stop crying !!!

[Biggs]

LOL cute. You think you are helping them. Riding their game for free is not helping them. Where are all your posts with helpful commentary about the game? Every single comment from you is nothing more than complaining, and the majority of it about the plan to go p2p. Help indeed.

I would say his initial 60-80$ investment was help. As was his willingness to continue playing when the game flopped. If you don't think they kept the servers up for the past year to get free testers from the community your smoking some good shit. And any post he has ever made that paints the game in a negative or posative light is the very definition of feedback. You amaze me, you basically call the guy a freeloader for playing and not paying. What the hell do you think it is YOU have been doing? ANd looking at your job numbers there I would say you have been doing WAY more freeloading than December ever did. Like a fat kid and cake.

[Etheos]

I don't think they have any right to charge us to play a beta. It's been a year and still no search function, no useable LFG system, and no mail. The game is a wasteland outside of chatting linkshells. Now that tons of people are going to quit, the game is going to become even more desolate. Why am I going to -pay- to play a game that's not even really ready?

I always thought to myself that they would only change when this theoretical 2.0 was released (and on PS3 too)... but to charge us for it one year ahead of time? I understand there are bills to pay, but SE really made a horrible game and deserve to pay the price. I still feel insulted that they even released the game in the first place.

I only log in to play around, check to see what's changed, and log out, and I'm sure at least 50% of the players are exactly like me (if not more).

Don't get me wrong, I had a huge smile on my face as I read through the announcement and saw the PDFs about 2.0... but I'm not paying for 1.9, or 1.20.

Unfortunately, they are probably making the wrong decision on behalf of the players. I already feel insulted -again-. For the entire 2012 I'm going to be pissed at them for not allowing the people who payed 50+ dollars for this garbage continue to see the updates that THEY OWE US first hand. Now I'm going to have to be a forum dweller.

TLDR: I feel insulted all over again and refuse to pay for beta, a bad beta at that.


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i don't mind waiting. I've been waiting since 2010. And yes, I log into the game but i don't really do much except run around. I look at shop prices, I check the market wards, I see how bad the server - client lag is. I check to see how the combat has changed (even if it is level 15). It still gives a really good idea about how the general basics work in FFXIV (which are their -main- problems). I don't need to level and see how the monster strongholds work, or how much EXP the leve's give. I do want to save my experiences in FFXIV for when it's actually good. I do not want to level up just to be higher than everyone else once 2.0 hits.

Bottom line still stands. You guys are just 'fanboy' enough to pay SE to test their content for them. They are counting on you to make sure their relaunch goes better than their first launch. This MMORPG now depends on this relaunch more than anything. It doesn't matter how much money they make each month in this coming year... if the relaunch does not deliver (and in a timely manner) FFXIV is going to flat out flop. Why are you paying them? They messed up. You should not have to pay for that. Charge us when the relaunch happens SE. Do not charge us to help pave the way for your relaunch.

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Guess, what? Thanks for wasting your time posting...No one cares. Hopefully you can find a game you like and not return in 2013.

[Isaaru]

I now declare this thread the official MAD BRO thread.

lolumadbro?

[Babydoll]

I'll more then likely P2P whenever they impliment it however...I feel this game still needs a ton of work. The UI is extremely cluttered. I organized mine so its tolerable..but jeez, so much clutter everywhere. o.O The battle still needs a ton of work too imho. There is no "attack" button, you have to keep pressing it or attempt to use some ability to get it to attack. My BF was playing Gladiator yesterday and got so frustrated he said he is done with it for a long time. >.<;

There is still lots of lag that needs to be fixed in menus and such. Blah blah I am sure everyone has read this 5000 times. But yeah...I'll pay I don't care...I have the spare money. Just feel it needs a ton of work

[Tibian]

what do you prefer to give you 1 year content for version 1 and pay for the expasion version 2 do you think its better that ?

they giving you the chance if you dont like to play the prequel to leave and play something else and come back again at version 2 and DOWNLOAD FREE your GAME!!!

stop asking about your game that you have bought ....THEY GONNA GIVE YOU AT 2012-2013 FREE !!!

they just want to make the version 1 Prequel Becouse they are making a NEW final fantasy for all the fans that bought the game 1 year ago AND THEY GOING TO GIVE US THE VERSION 2 FREE !!!! !!! OH MY GOD !! stop crying !!!

It sounds like you're the one crying with all your poorly placed spaces, caps-lock, and exclamation points. I'm just expressing my concerns over the fact that they treated this as a beta, and then they will be holding another beta in the future.

Secondly, would it kill you to use a period? If you're going to constructively hold a conversation with someone at least present me with something that a middle school student could articulate.

Lastly, you're correct. They are making the version 2.0 XIV from the ideas and discussions that thousands of disgruntled users posted on the forums. What you're incorrect about, is that it is a new game. Please don't treat it like a new IP, or a new game. It isn't even an expansion. It is the game, that should have been in my 90 dollar collectors edition box, from the very beginning.

That is why charging now is not the right action to take. It further alienates the people who already dislike the game (that this entire 2.0 fix is trying to get back), and it continues the growing loss of interest and trust of the Final Fantasy brand.

As I've stated before, if they offered a 50% reduction in subscription costs until the end of the 2.0 beta, or start the subscription fees after the server fixes/UI were implemented; sure I'd be happy to help show my support for the game. Unfortunately they are just being greedy at this point.

And yes, I'd probably be more satisfied if they kept the game open for free, and then made 2.0 as an expansion pack. First of all, the expansion pack would only be 40 dollars: a reasonable sum. Secondly, they can't get away with that because it would cause more outrage than this debacle has already done. So they're opting for the choice that will get them more money and less hate, because really: who is going to buy an expansion pack that fixes a severely broken and flawed game?