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    Quote Originally Posted by StarRosie View Post
    But take a second to realize how much of a monumental
    Well if it was an issue witch I really dono how big of an issue it would be, but then again I dont know but I see how they just throw random stuff in the game like pumpkins, and Christmas trees on a whim whenever they want but thats something totally different. If this would cause a problem then the least they could do is make things fair like I said and Im pretty much a tank main, but tanks get to many perks in the game.

    What I'm sayin is tanks can wear tank gear, they can wear discipline of war gear, and they can wear pretty much anything a healer can wear but the exclusive class only gear. Discipline of war can wear their gear, and pretty much anything that a healer or caster can wear that's not exclusive. But casters pretty much can only wear caster gear or clothe gear that's not balanced and its not right. If just changing everything would cause an issue at least let everyone wear tank gear, disciple of war gear, and caster gear from top to bottom and not just allow tanks to wear all three glamour wise Im not referring to stats If they can do it for tanks then they can do it for all the other classes to
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    But games X Y and Z could do it, so this game should be able to as well! It's gonna be 2017!
    I get the sarcasm and joke, but even then...as a member of the group that ensures X, Y and Z had that happen. I SLAP YOU SIR (or madam.)! XD

    /s

    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
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    But again, that would take months of work and even further months of QA to ensure the product doesn't suffer from the rework. Those pumpkins and christmas trees are made up a month or two in advance or they are often just a reused thing from last year. That's easy, reworking the system, even to a limited degree as you example, would take a considerable amount of time and manpower. Which the XIV team doesn't have. They gotta work on the patches, creating content for those patches (Raids, dungeons and primals.) all while also working on this system rework, it would be hell for them. Yoshi-P even explained, the reason the Inventory expansion has taken so long, is because it would effect the servers and network systems due to how the game is put together. So they would need to improve that before anything could be done to the inventory system. Hence why they are rolling it out in two parts.
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    Last edited by StarRosie; 12-30-2016 at 05:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naunet View Post
    Bad analogy and completely different situation. xD We're not talking about uniforms that are required to be worn for a job you're paid to do at a company. It's just clothes, and you're just adventuring.
    Artifact gear, for the most part, is a uniform. Regardless of whether you'd like to think it not to be a uniform, it's explicitly stated in the lore book that AF gear, for the most part, is gear assigned to that specific job, not the class, not another job. Just the one job. You have no case here if the lore book already states that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Assirra View Post
    I doubt glamour is nearly as important as you make it out to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    Well if it was an issue witch I really dono how big of an issue it would be, but then again I dont know but I see how they just throw random stuff in the game like pumpkins, and Christmas trees on a whim whenever they want but thats something totally different.
    "Pumpkins and Christmas trees" are not even remotely the same as glamours, so your comparison falls apart. There's a HUGE difference between making a new static model for the purpose of decoration and trying to work out a complicated glamour system that involves trying to swap out clothing models on an active player character model with job/race/gender restrictions.

    Quote Originally Posted by StarRosie View Post
    I get the sarcasm and joke, but even then...as a member of the group that ensures X, Y and Z had that happen. I SLAP YOU SIR (or madam.)! XD

    /s
    At least you get it! As someone in the customer service industry, it's amazing how people refuse to listen to you when you tell them exactly why you or the company can't adhere to certain requests or suggestions. It's like the "I WANT IT NOOOWWWW!!!" mentality we had as kids never escaped from some adults today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    At least you get it! As someone in the customer service industry, it's amazing how people refuse to listen to you when you tell them exactly why you or the company can't adhere to certain requests or suggestions. It's like the "I WANT IT NOOOWWWW!!!" mentality we had as kids never escaped from some adults today.
    Agreed, least to a point. I sorta want it but I'm more in the wishful thinking camp. I understand the task we're asking for and it would be too much.

    Also...my condolences and thanks for the work you do in Customer Service. I've heard the horror stories and you guys are the real MVPs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom View Post
    The main culprit and the main reason SE won't lift, is because to let glamour go past gear restrictions it would take redoing the entire system. Which they currently do not want to devote the resources to doing that.
    Eh, considering how popular glamour is, and how many people support various revisions to the system, I think it's well worth SE's time to redo it. But that's all to say that LORE is not actually the issue at all. There is zero lore in the game that contradicts being able to glamour whatever armor we want over our gear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yeol View Post
    But really... I don't want to see a healer wearing full heavy armor holding a stick spamming heals with their glorious actions xD!
    1) How do you feel about tanks wearing dresses? Because they can. and 2) It's not your character; you shouldn't be able to tell other people what they can and can't do with their character.

    Quote Originally Posted by Assirra View Post
    As far as i know all games actually have this restriction, the only which i am not sure about is GW2.
    Incorrect. Rift and WildStar are two examples at the very least who do not. The result is a very freeing wardrobe system that allows for a great deal of creativity in outfits.
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  8. #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by Assirra View Post
    You are making grand delusions here. I would like to see your stats for that first line because i doubt glamour is nearly as important as you make it out to be.
    No developer would want to even consider remaking the whole armor system (which effects a lot more then glamours) if that is what it takes to get your freedom.



    What x y and z games actually?
    As far as i know all games actually have this restriction, the only which i am not sure about is GW2.
    I will state again what other game lets you play 13 different classes on one character I'm willing to bet that its very few. That being said what does this game do to even try to explain that you an adventurer can go to all these guilds and have the skill and no how to do all of these jobs,they dont at all. You don't even have a true identity unless you make one for yourself, what Im saying is you are going to let us play every job on one character then essentially we are all those jobs, we arent just a warrior, blm, or scholar we are all of them.

    So why does it make sense to only be able to wear heavy Armour when your a tank, because you are a tank still even if you are a healer, the only thing that matters is the weapon that you have in the main hand slot. The op is referring to a glamour system he or she isnt asking for healers to be able to wear tank gear, or summoner gear and get their stats they are asking to be able to paste over their gear with the glamour system which should have zero restrictions if you are in fact all of the jobs. And I dont know what sever you are on but every-time I look at a character that's above level 50 they are wearing some type of glamour , if glamour wasnt 75 percent of the game then I dont think the phrase glamour is endgame would exist.

    This isnt just any game because every game doesnt let you run every class they have to offer on one character so why not embrace that instead of tryin to have lock outs like you are playing a game that you can only wear certain gear on certain jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naunet View Post
    1) How do you feel about tanks wearing dresses? Because they can. and 2) It's not your character; you shouldn't be able to tell other people what they can and can't do with their character.
    I know that, they can go naked if they wanted to it is not my business. I just stated my opinion, I won't force people to agree with me if they don't want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    I will state again what other game lets you play 13 different classes on one character I'm willing to bet that its very few.
    XI with 22 jobs. Yes, I went there.
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