Please lift glamour restrictions!

[ReplicaX]

The thing is

I'm not trying to change your mind. However, you need to understand the other side of things and this post isn't focused solely on you.

This is strictly talking about Artifact Armors only as far as my opinion.

A lot of these armor sets are based off the classic franchise designs and are iconic to the FF Series and their respective jobs, with 30 years of history. Thread has talk of freedom and choice, there is also the other side of it for the Company: Creative and Artistic Freedom. As well as Creative Control.

If SE decides to continue to lock Artifact Armors and you dislike it and feel it impacts your glamour options. Then honestly you don't value their Creative and Artistic Freedom to preserve the image of their assets.

I'm not against opening up more armors to other jobs/classes. However, you still need to value the Company's freedoms as well.

Many of the examples given in this thread of other MMO's glamour systems, don't have a 30 Year history behind them. Other established MMO's also have rules similar to XIV's system.

[bswpayton]

I'm not trying to change your mind. However, you need to understand the other side of things and this post isn't focused solely on you.

While I agree with you on a history but because this is an mmo and to stay competitive in the market their have been alot of accommodations that has steered away form traditional ff games. The new coming jump potion is one of them I couldnt imagine them doing that to their new release ff 15, but they will with game because its an mmo.

Ive even heard that traditionally drk was a dps, but in our game they are a tank so if they can make huge changes like this I dont see why they cant do the same thing with gear. Because of the uniqueness of doing every class on one this game should have one of the best glamour systems compared to any game because you have 13 different jobs you can draw glam from and it would be nice to mix and match all of them together as we desired, the devs have shown that lore takes a back seat to money when they implemented the new potion we are gettin, Im fine with that this is a business first.

Others dont seem to be , but because of the lore step back I dont see why gear would even be a factor at this point, if they can change a whole job and change it from a dps to a tank, but a healer cant wear an Armour chest piece?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Then honestly you don't value their Creative and Artistic Freedom to preserve the image of their assets. However, you still need to value the Company's freedoms as well.

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[Gemina]

The thing is if you level the job you are that job regardless, if what your sayin is true then dont let us level everything on one character then and nobody wants that. How can you say lets play every job on one but then restrict the gear. What if I simply wana play mypalidan as a whm with a sword in my head its called player freedom and SE gave us that when they made it to where you could put every job on one character. They dont explain it so why cant we use our gear to explain it ourselves if we chose to do so. What is the point in restricting the gear there is none, you have the choice to play every job as one so why act like that choice doesnt exist if a ninja wants to wear a whm robe and that person leveled whm then its nothing wrong with them wearing it.

Incorrect. You are that job only when you equip the soulstone and/or the weapon associated with that job. What you're saying would be true if you were all the jobs you leveled simultaneously. Perhaps you are in your mind, which is just fine. However, the game does not recognize this.

The gear is not restricted to you. If you want to wear it, you have to level the respective job to the appropriate level to do so. That is the restriction, and we don't hear a bunch people saying, "Hey! I'm a warrior. What's with this level restriction? I should be able to wear everything available for a warrior." You are essentially saying the same thing with wanting to remove role restrictions on gear.

This freedom thing just isn't a good argument, because this is SE's game, and they too have the freedom to create the rules and restrictions as they see fit. I see this as a case where you give an inch, and a mile is taken. SE released, and is still releasing tons of lv1 glamours that have no restrictions other than having to complete the quest that allows you to glam. And now we have a lot of players who want role restrictions removed from gear so they too can be used for glams.

[bswpayton]

Incorrect. You are that job only when you equip the soulstone and/or the weapon associated with that job. What you're saying would be true if you \.

Well I have said repeatedly if you are that job then yes you should be able to mix and match your gear as you please. I'm not sayin let everyone just pic what they want you actually should have the job leveled if you wana use their glamour which many people do.
But lets be real SE have the power to do whatever they want .its the players that just dont wana accept change, its an mmo its forever changing. I have found so many players that dont want to give an inch on how things are done, if a tank can wear a pig suit then their is no argument for a whm being able to wear a tank Armour piece.

With this in the game there is nothing anyone should have to say , I mean a pig suit really a chocobo head that SE gives you as a vet reward on a tank come on and so it shouldnt be an issue to wear gear of a job you have already leveled up. What Im sayin is the game should recognize that we are all jobs if that is the case, if they dont want it to be recognized then whats the point in allowing it?

[Naunet]

The gear is not restricted to you. If you want to wear it, you have to level the respective job to the appropriate level to do so. That is the restriction, and we don't hear a bunch people saying, "Hey! I'm a warrior. What's with this level restriction? I should be able to wear everything available for a warrior." You are essentially saying the same thing with wanting to remove role restrictions on gear.

Even when I do level the respective job (which I have!), I still can't glamour it how I want. But no, wanting level restrictions gone is NOT the same thing. I want to be able to use the gear that I earned. Not nearly the same thing as someone coming in at level 1 and wanting to use level 50 armor as their glamour. (Though to be honest, I have played both Rift and WildStar where there are no level restrictions, and it is quite fun making 12+ outfits for my new character that look awesome.)

Still need to draw a line somewhere though and the line makes most sense at the job specific gear. It was made for those jobs and it should stay for those jobs.

You don't, actually. Other MMO wardrobe systems have shown that when there are no lines, people are quite happy to let their creativity go wild and create outfits unique to their character. I will never see how folk can think that limiting options leads to diversity - it just makes groups of people look the same.

[MistakeNot]

Even when I do level the respective job (which I have!), I still can't glamour it how I want. But no, wanting level restrictions gone is NOT the same thing. I want to be able to use the gear that I earned. Not nearly the same thing as someone coming in at level 1 and wanting to use level 50 armor as their glamour. (Though to be honest, I have played both Rift and WildStar where there are no level restrictions, and it is quite fun making 12+ outfits for my new character that look awesome.)

Also, wearing a piece of gear and wearing a glamour of that piece of gear is not the same thing. For the first I can see why there would be restrictions. But for just wearing an illusion of a particular piece of gear? No logical or lore-based reason at all.


Personally I am used to the far more flexible system used in Lord of the Rings Online, where using the wardrobe system lets anyone cosmetically equip any piece of gear whatsoever. Still restrictions on what armour etc. you can actually wear and get stats from, but for looks anything goes. Just because it is a newly created character it does not mean one is limited to a mismatched assembly of whatever one happened to pick up.

Restrictions on glamour in this game are just silly - and personally I see no merit at all to any of the arguments brought forward here for keeping restrictions, except maybe the one about it requiring rework of some code, but that is just work.

[Miste]

I will never see how folk can think that limiting options leads to diversity - it just makes groups of people look the same.

Because not everyone is you and shares all of your opinions? I also never mentioned diversity as a reason for my post or my reasons for drawing the line...you picked out the last thing I said without paying attention to the rest of my post.

Some people like having the iconic FF series gear linked to the jobs and job specific gear in general because they love the Final Fantasy series and they love their favourite job and feel like the gear compounds the job's identity and they enjoy that aspect. I love the WHM Orison set so much I almost wish I could use it on any healer but I just don't think that needs to happen because it wasn't made for anything but WHM.

I said the line needs to be drawn somewhere in order to make a compromise to cater to both sides. Open up the other gear, but keep the job specific gear locked to the job still. That way if people want more choices they have a lot more, and people who like to have some gear specific to jobs can keep those (FYI most of the gear in the game is not job specific).

It's called a compromise for a reason; if you ignore one side of it it just becomes selfishness. Other MMOs are not FFXIV so comparing their communities is a waste of time. Most other MMOs are not linked to a iconic series that has been around since 1987 and has certain aspects that make it part of the FF series.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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Why should there be any further argument besides "we want the freedom to make unique glamours per job"? I want my Dark Knight, Warrior and Paladin to each have a different look. We can already put all sorts of silly outfits on our jobs. In fact, here is my Warrior while I level it:



Totally keeping with that armour theme, aren't I? Could even swap the pants to the sailor ones and copy the whole set to any job I fancy. Now don't get me wrong. I wouldn't necessarily care if the job specific gear remained the same. But it's a little silly we can put on a halter top yet healers wearing armour? That'll confuse the newbies! I suppose my argument to the devs would be... look at that pic. I have plenty more of outfits that wouldn't traditionally suit the job they've glamoured on-- even ran a bikini on Dragoon for a day after RNG irked me and I needed a good giggle while I farmed Alex.

[Gemina]

Why should there be any further argument besides "we want the freedom to make unique glamours per job"? I want my Dark Knight, Warrior and Paladin to each have a different look. We can already put all sorts of silly outfits on our jobs. In fact, here is my Warrior while I level it:



Totally keeping with that armour theme, aren't I? Could even swap the pants to the sailor ones and copy the whole set to any job I fancy. Now don't get me wrong. I wouldn't necessarily care if the job specific gear remained the same. But it's a little silly we can put on a halter top yet healers wearing armour? That'll confuse the newbies! I suppose my argument to the devs would be... look at that pic. I have plenty more of outfits that wouldn't traditionally suit the job they've glamoured on-- even ran a bikini on Dragoon for a day after RNG irked me and I needed a good giggle while I farmed Alex.

Would you prefer they do away with the glamour system entirely then? Releasing tons of Lv1 items to be used for glams IS SE showing some leniency. Those bikinis, sailor suits, reindeer costumes and so forth don't belong to any specific role, job, or gender. That is why you can glam them. If you want to look silly in the role you choose, they HAVE given you this freedom. It's a different story when you want to start to use glams to make yourself appear to be a role you are currently not playing.

Diversity is not a bad thing, and freedom to do whatever you want isn't always a good thing. I believe the time and energy of the devs is better placed on improving the glam system in the areas that it is the most troublesome. Currently those issues involve inflated armories, and not being able to give multiple jobs of a particular role different looks when unique pieces are the optimal build for the current level.

Again though, I am not opposed to new items being released that are more flexible with how many classes can equip them.