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[Jennestia]

How many people (like me) havent bothered to cancel their accounts even though they dont log in much/ever since its been free for a while. Wonder if SE "thinks" they have more potential paying customers than they really do.

The fact you need activity to even post on these forums they can easily determine who does and doesn't play -- Their Vanadiel Census also proves they actually can tell the difference between "active" and "inactive" players. A lot of people didn't cancel SE accounts because they also play FFXI.

[Pulseczar]

The day they start charging for subscriptions cannot get here soon enough! I personally can't wait to start paying and SE can clean house on the forums.

[TheVedis]

How many people (like me) havent bothered to cancel their accounts even though they dont log in much/ever since its been free for a while. Wonder if SE "thinks" they have more potential paying customers than they really do.

they have ways of tracking user usage im sure, and they probly dont even count you at all

[JackDaniels]

The day they start charging for subscriptions cannot get here soon enough! I personally can't wait to start paying and SE can clean house on the forums.

Two things.

1) You people calling everyone trolls are illicitly trolling yourselves.
2) You trolls crying 'troll' are going to be sorely dissapointed when you realise that the majority the people who dissagree with you sometimes (or trolls as you call them, its all the same, right?) are here to stay. You think there will be reform on these forums? Fat chance.

Honestly have any of you 'cant wait for these trolls to be gone hurr durr' individuals ever been on the official FFXI forums?? Like.. they are not any better at all and everyone pays. So get your noses out of your belly buttons and keep snide remarks like that to yourself unless you are intentionally trying to antagonize the few who refuse to pay while you still can.

[Jennestia]

Two things.

1) You people calling everyone trolls are illicitly trolling yourselves.
2) You trolls crying 'troll' are going to be sorely dissapointed when you realise that the majority the people who dissagree with you sometimes (or trolls as you call them, its all the same, right?) are here to stay. You think there will be reform on these forums? Fat chance.

Honestly have any of you 'cant wait for these trolls to be gone hurr durr' individuals ever been on the official FFXI forums?? Like.. they are not any better at all and everyone pays. So get your noses out of your belly buttons and keep snide remarks like that to yourself unless you are intentionally trying to antagonize the few who refuse to pay while you still can.

The main problem with FFXI forums is that community still have the BG community around, so even if they charged $50/month it will never be clean as long as they stick around -- FFXIV community is relatively young and clear of pure elitism, but those who are being called trolls literally do nothing but try to make things out to be worse than they are and never truly admit when XIV is actually getting better.

So those who are disagreeing with one another aren't on the same lines of those who do nothing but spread negativity.

[JackDaniels]

The main problem with FFXI forums is that community still have the BG community around, so even if they charged $50/month it will never be clean as long as they stick around -- FFXIV community is relatively young and clear of pure elitism, but those who are being called trolls literally do nothing but try to make things out to be worse than they are and never truly admit when XIV is actually getting better.

So those who are disagreeing with one another aren't on the same lines of those who do nothing but spread negativity.

So basically what you are saying is that because there is no BG of FFXIV, the forums will be all rainbows and lollipops? How many poeple on these forums do you think are here not because they like the game (or want to), but because they don't have anything better to do than dissagree with people on ffxiv forums?

[Greenup]

Ill see where the game is at before i start to pay. I have'nt logged much since there seems to be no end game content to really do cept kill 50 ifrit. Love the game and want to support SE so i might pay just so i can jump on everynow and then.

[Jennestia]

So basically what you are saying is that because there is no BG of FFXIV, the forums will be all rainbows and lollipops? How many poeple on these forums do you think are here not because they like the game (or want to), but because they don't have anything better to do than dissagree with people on ffxiv forums?

When you have groups of people who sit around specifically to mock people based on gear choices, or because they say "it's just a game", that's basically pure elitism. In terms of XIV, it's already known in-game versus forum community is quite different, so people who participate on the forums just to troll or just to go against people actually being positive about the game, are indeed trolls.

Even more so if they'll gladly pay just to spark arguments for no reason? That's trolling, merely disagreeing with someone or something isn't trolling.

[Anapingofness]

You mean to say if we were at 2.0 already people would magically have money to pay for the game?.

Hardly, what I am saying is that if the game was at 2.0 a lot more people would be inclined to pay for it. The game that is coming out with patch 2.0 is a completely different game than the one we see today.

If SE can be trusted then that means that most of the core issues plaguing the game would have been resolved and we would have finally moved out of Beta and into some actual bloody content.

That is why more people would be willing to rework their budgets, for example, to be able to continue to play the game. At that point in time the game will offer an actually fun experience. Not only that but SE would have restored more faith into the player base, faith that they themselves destroyed by coming out with beyond sub par work and expecting their fans/players/customers to take it up the behind.

Besides, in today's global economy every cent matters. SE needs to be more sensitive to their customers, especially if they want them to spend their hard earned money on their product. Sadly, it doesn't leave much room for error on their part.

That being said, I understand that that SE needs money to make this game work I just don't think they have the right to ask their players to pay for such an incomplete game, especially if they're not even going to offer a discount.

[JackDaniels]

When you have groups of people who sit around specifically to mock people based on gear choices, or because they say "it's just a game", that's basically pure elitism. In terms of XIV, it's already known in-game versus forum community is quite different, so people who participate on the forums just to troll or just to go against people actually being positive about the game, are indeed trolls.

Even more so if they'll gladly pay just to spark arguments for no reason? That's trolling, merely disagreeing with someone or something isn't trolling.

There are one or two extremists on the official ffxiv forums, but just because there is always someone who has negative input on a positive thread doesnt mean that everyone who ever had a negative opinion is always negative in every positive thread. I'm fully aware of what a troll is.

In regards to my original message I was just trying to burst the rainbow/lollipops theory that the forums will magically clean themselves up. The forums will be just like they are now, except everyone will be paying 100% of a subscription to a game that is 50% complete.