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[Holland]

Well, something that I have noticed reading the majority of posts from players saying they do not agree to pay to play because they feel the game is not ready and they would rather support SE with their feedback is: most of them have between 30 ~ 50 posts.

Most have been registered since march, where the hell have you been if its not providing feedback to better the game? But wait... now SE wants to charge and their free ride its almost over. You have only been playing to your hearts content without even supporting SE how you claim you want to. Hypocrisy is the only thing that comes to my mind.

[Anapingofness]

Well, something that I have noticed reading the majority of posts from players saying they do not agree to pay to play because they feel the game is not ready and they would rather support SE with their feedback is: most of them have between 30 ~ 50 posts.

Most have been registered since march, where the hell have you been if its not providing feedback to better the game? But wait... now SE wants to charge and their free ride its almost over. You have only been playing to your hearts content without even supporting SE how you claim you want to. Hypocrisy is the only thing that comes to my mind.

The amount of posts a person has does not invalidate their right to say their piece. In fact, the more posts a person has makes me question them.

Trolling, replying "omg lulz u iz n00b ur not lvl 50!!" or basically saying anything that doesn't state clearly your opinion on a matter and create a worthwhile post simply makes those numbers go up. I mean, how many times have you come across people simply arguing over something rather stupid on the forums? Seriously?

The fact of the matter a good number of people simply lurk on the forums. Nine times out of ten I don't want to post on an issue because of all of the trolls or the idea has already been said way too much. Think of all of the anti-power leveling threads started after patch 1.19?

If I feel that I should give my two cents, such as something like this for example, yes I'll post. Nothing wrong with that.

So kindly, don't get all high and mighty because of your post count because it means absolutely nothing.

In regards to this, yes it is wrong of SE to ask their players to pay to play a beta. If they had said "-50% of the monthly price until 2.0" you'd find that people would still be angry but a lot more would stay, myself included.

Personally, I'd love to stay until 2.0. What has happened with FFXIV is something I've never encountered... particularly because no other company has ever biffed as badly as SE did with FFXIV... but I can't afford to pay for the game at this stage for so long. We're not talking about a couple of months. If it was 5 months, I'd be like "ok!" but we're talking about a full year...

That's a lot of money from people who may not be able to do this whether it's because they're on a budget, or jobless, or even having their folks pay for it. Not every player can afford to pay an extra 12-15$ a month my friend.

SE has several options right now.

-Extend the no-pay period further so it is at least closer to 2.0 if not all the way until 2.0.

-Charge a discount rate- at least 50%. After all Yoshida himself said that the game is 50% to where it can be called an FF.

-Follow LOTRO's model.

All of these are temporary solutions until 2.0 comes out. Personally, I'd go with the LOTRO model because you can even make it a permanent model if one chooses to do so. However, I'd be happy with a discount.

[Holland]

The amount of posts a person has does not invalidate their right to say their piece. In fact, the more posts a person has makes me question them.

Trolling, replying "omg lulz u iz n00b ur not lvl 50!!" or basically saying anything that doesn't state clearly your opinion on a matter and create a worthwhile post simply makes those numbers go up. I mean, how many times have you come across people simply arguing over something rather stupid on the forums? Seriously?

The fact of the matter a good number of people simply lurk on the forums. Nine times out of ten I don't want to post on an issue because of all of the trolls or the idea has already been said way too much. Think of all of the anti-power leveling threads started after patch 1.19?

If I feel that I should give my two cents, such as something like this for example, yes I'll post. Nothing wrong with that.

So kindly, don't get all high and mighty because of your post count because it means absolutely nothing.

In regards to this, yes it is wrong of SE to ask their players to pay to play a beta. If they had said "-50% of the monthly price until 2.0" you'd find that people would still be angry but a lot more would stay, myself included.

Personally, I'd love to stay until 2.0. What has happened with FFXIV is something I've never encountered... particularly because no other company has ever biffed as badly as SE did with FFXIV... but I can't afford to pay for the game at this stage for so long. We're not talking about a couple of months. If it was 5 months, I'd be like "ok!" but we're talking about a full year...

That's a lot of money from people who may not be able to do this whether it's because they're on a budget, or jobless, or even having their folks pay for it. Not every player can afford to pay an extra 12-15$ a month my friend.

SE has several options right now.

-Extend the no-pay period further so it is at least closer to 2.0 if not all the way until 2.0.

-Charge a discount rate- at least 50%. After all Yoshida himself said that the game is 50% to where it can be called an FF.

-Follow LOTRO's model.

All of these are temporary solutions until 2.0 comes out. Personally, I'd go with the LOTRO model because you can even make it a permanent model if one chooses to do so. However, I'd be happy with a discount.

In none of my posts it says the number of posts a person has invalidates their opinion. If you do not feel the game deserves $12.99 a month why have you not provided feedback to better the game? that is all I am asking.

SE does not have several "options" on what to do. They have already stated what they plan to do and is charge for the game as they feel is already there for fees. Which is exactly what they said in december "When we feel the game is there with the level of enjoyment we will start charging". In my opinion, is there in terms of enjoyment.

That's a lot of money from people who may not be able to do this whether it's because they're on a budget, or jobless, or even having their folks pay for it. Not every player can afford to pay an extra 12-15$ a month my friend.

You mean to say if we were at 2.0 already people would magically have money to pay for the game?.

[Anapingofness]

You mean to say if we were at 2.0 already people would magically have money to pay for the game?.

Hardly, what I am saying is that if the game was at 2.0 a lot more people would be inclined to pay for it. The game that is coming out with patch 2.0 is a completely different game than the one we see today.

If SE can be trusted then that means that most of the core issues plaguing the game would have been resolved and we would have finally moved out of Beta and into some actual bloody content.

That is why more people would be willing to rework their budgets, for example, to be able to continue to play the game. At that point in time the game will offer an actually fun experience. Not only that but SE would have restored more faith into the player base, faith that they themselves destroyed by coming out with beyond sub par work and expecting their fans/players/customers to take it up the behind.

Besides, in today's global economy every cent matters. SE needs to be more sensitive to their customers, especially if they want them to spend their hard earned money on their product. Sadly, it doesn't leave much room for error on their part.

That being said, I understand that that SE needs money to make this game work I just don't think they have the right to ask their players to pay for such an incomplete game, especially if they're not even going to offer a discount.

[Solfleur]

Hardly, what I am saying is that if the game was at 2.0 a lot more people would be inclined to pay for it. The game that is coming out with patch 2.0 is a completely different game than the one we see today.

If SE can be trusted then that means that most of the core issues plaguing the game would have been resolved and we would have finally moved out of Beta and into some actual bloody content.

That is why more people would be willing to rework their budgets, for example, to be able to continue to play the game. At that point in time the game will offer an actually fun experience. Not only that but SE would have restored more faith into the player base, faith that they themselves destroyed by coming out with beyond sub par work and expecting their fans/players/customers to take it up the behind.

Besides, in today's global economy every cent matters. SE needs to be more sensitive to their customers, especially if they want them to spend their hard earned money on their product. Sadly, it doesn't leave much room for error on their part.

That being said, I understand that that SE needs money to make this game work I just don't think they have the right to ask their players to pay for such an incomplete game, especially if they're not even going to offer a discount.

This is very true, and the crux of the matter. Throughout the past year, during which we have been unpaid beta testers and had months of grinding undone at the whim of SE not once, not twice, but several times in several ways, the one thing we could use to comfort ourselves was the fact that at least they didn't have the AUDACITY to be charging us for the honor of being abused as players. Now, in the midst of changes assured to change the entire scope of the game literally from the ground up, from character creation to IU to the servers to the maps...literally EVERY SINGLE THING we spend our time on in true Korean F2P Grinder fashion...SE lauds our loyalty, gives us a pat on the back with one hand and reaches into our wallets with the other!

Some of us wascally wabbits with previous experience with SE may be a little less trusting than others and may decide to wait out this transitional process in the "safe" corner and let the more eager experimental bunnies get shocked repeatedly until the maze gets worked out to everyone's satisfaction.

That doesn't make us bad bunnies.

[Wynn]

The amount of posts a person has does not invalidate their right to say their piece. In fact, the more posts a person has makes me question them.

The amount of posts does not, but the quality of posts does. So many people have come into these forums in the past few days touting how they are helping SE and SE should pay them and yet you look at their post history and they don't have a single quality post that offered any kind of input to SE. These are people who plain and simple are here to play a free game and are now pissed that they won't be able to anymore. They have zero interest in providing helpful input to anyone.

Additionally, in some cases the level 50 argument is valid (though granted most of the time it is not). Sitting here saying "OMG this game has nothing to do" when you are level 10 is bullshit. Plain and simple.

[CatchaFire420]

The amount of posts does not, but the quality of posts does. So many people have come into these forums in the past few days touting how they are helping SE and SE should pay them and yet you look at their post history and they don't have a single quality post that offered any kind of input to SE. These are people who plain and simple are here to play a free game and are now pissed that they won't be able to anymore. They have zero interest in providing helpful input to anyone.

Additionally, in some cases the level 50 argument is valid (though granted most of the time it is not). Sitting here saying "OMG this game has nothing to do" when you are level 10 is bullshit. Plain and simple.

And this is your idea of helpful, how many more of these "helpful posts" do you have for SE?

That is rhetorical btw, I don't want to know.

[Wynn]

And this is your idea of helpful, how many more of these "helpful posts" do you have for SE?

That is rhetorical btw, I don't want to know.

2/10 on the troll scale. I'm not providing input to SE, I'm discussing the game with people in this thread. You want to see my input, just read my post history. Nice try though.