@Naoki Yoshida-> Make Samurai a DPS class!!!

[Shippuu]

I mean I did state that imo all the reasons given are a bit of a joke, I want a Sam dps, which I did say is just personal preference, not a why Sam "MUST" be a dps same as your example or even the "must be a tank because we need drk knight in eastern gear with a katana" the reasons people are claiming "must" be dps or tank are not really great reasons, I've yet to see any to convince me why it "must" be x type is all.

I've never said anything "must be" anything at all, only that certain things make sense and logically should be, but never must be. You are chosing to simply ignore the very valid reasons that have been brought forth multiple times, so what do you want people to say? If you're adamant on not taking any of the claims seriously or willing to see a different perspective then nothing will ever change that.

Idk I see alot of people claiming to be tank mains and taking everything as a personal attack and then getting very defensive and high horsey about it all, I was a tank main until 3.3 and ik how important the role is, I also know how stale it can get and I don't see how a shiny new job will fix that and make it feel refreshing.

I feel like you're somehow blind to all the DPS players who come in here, or go and start making copy-cat threads (Like this thread for example, started as a form of whiny protest, attempting to pull a "hah, suck it tank players!" with it's opening post.)

As the title says make it dps and like this post to show support in it.

then see the SAM as tank thread with its lowly 13 likes how in the minority they are

It doesn't get much more high horsey and petty than that.

If you don't see how adding new jobs brings variety and freshness to players than I can't help you. The logic that you think tanks are boring and are then undeserving of new jobs, while playing a DPS and preferring a job to be added as a new DPS (when DPS roles already have a huge variety compared to tanks). There's really nothing I can say because to be honest, the way your mind works makes no sense to me then.

[HiroKirito]

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I did not say you were saying "must be" I'm saying alot of the debate, if you can call it that is drowning in "must be x role <insert nonsensical reason>" I can see it as either role, I'd just preffer it as a dps class.

It seems like your taking this as a personal attack claiming I'm ignoring valid reasons? You haven't presented me with any, I've tried to generalise the ridiculous reasons I've seen, I'll admit I highlight tanks ones but you kindly threw in the ridiculous dps reasons as a counter ^^

High horsing and petty aren't the same thing, I did not claim anyone was in the right. I've seen alot of "you cant do what we do youre just a dps" and threats to quit tanking or quit the game altogether if Sams not a tank, not saying that's your stance or opinion whatsoever.

I'm glad you highlighted variety, that's more what I meant with a shiny new role won't fix it, I personally can't see how Sam will be different enough from dark to be anything other than a dark in eastern gear, if it's implemented as a tank I hope it does provide more variety, but if variety and diversity is what the tanking community desire, why push for a role that will share atleast some similarities with the current roles? Why aren't the tanking community more up in arms that,say for example red mage isn't going to be a tank?

[Eul]

Tanking is boring. #FACT

DPS even more boring with the df queue #FACT

[hagare]

DPS even more boring with the df queue #FACT

Pffft. Real DPS multi task.

[Voltres]

The two classes that I really wanted to play were Dark Knight as a DPS, Ninja as a Tank and Samurai as a DPS. If Samurai is not released as a DPS, I will be very frustrated...

[kazeandi]

Since we have PotD now, I don't care what you make the Samurai, as long as the class is fun.

[Shippuu]

I did not say you were saying "must be" I'm saying alot of the debate, if you can call it that is drowning in "must be x role <insert nonsensical reason>" I can see it as either role, I'd just preffer it as a dps class.

Hardly anyone asking for it to be a tank never state it cannot be a DPS though, yet there are plenty of DPS players who come in and straight up say it cannot be a tank. There is a large resistance against it being a tank, even though it's a completely viable choice as one, making more sense than their choice of Dark Knight.

I've seen alot of "you cant do what we do youre just a dps" and threats to quit tanking or quit the game altogether if Sams not a tank, not saying that's your stance or opinion whatsoever.

There's plenty of DPS players who have said things along the same vein though. Or ones who come in and act like tank players deserve no new jobs ever, or merely scraps (i.e. obscure and unpopular jobs). This isn't my first rodeo for these kinds of threads, I've seen all manner of preposterous arguments that hold no weight, the majority of them being from DPS players. I'm not saying both sides don't have their weak arguments, but I just don't know how anyone can look at this thread (or the original tanking one) and say that it's the tank players with the more ridiculous ones.

I'm glad you highlighted variety, that's more what I meant with a shiny new role won't fix it, I personally can't see how Sam will be different enough from dark to be anything other than a dark in eastern gear, if it's implemented as a tank I hope it does provide more variety, but if variety and diversity is what the tanking community desire, why push for a role that will share atleast some similarities with the current roles? Why aren't the tanking community more up in arms that,say for example red mage isn't going to be a tank?

Just because you can't envision it as different doesn't mean it can't be. I could say the same thing about how it would be any different than the existing 3 melee DPS jobs we have, but that's what you'd prefer it to be.

The tanking community isn't up in arms about RDM because RDM by most was never considered a strong contender for the tanking role anyways. It didn't make as much sense from a thematic and design approach for it to be a tank. It's also not nearly as popular of an archetype as a Samurai. The same thing applies to other similar suggestions such as Blue Mage etc.

[HiroKirito]

I agree that it could be either role, I'd just prefer a dps, equally I know rdm was not a serious contender as a tank role it's just an example, instead of seeing "rdm looks cool, hybrid range chain melee, I hope we get a new unique tanking class" we instantly saw across the forums "there's your sword class dpsers, Sam is Deffo gunna be a tank lolz"

I did say that although I can't envision that Sam would be too different from dark I hope it is and they work it to provide variety if they decide to implement it as a tank.

I disagree though about it being the level of ridiculousness being predominantly dsp based, proportionally they are probably on par, very few can articulate an eloquent point about why it should be one role or the other when it could easily be either, like I said the "debate" is just drowning in "lolz it'll be a dps" or "nah uh tank 4 sho"

[AlexionSkylark]

I'm going to laugh VERY HARD if they announce the new class and it's not SAM... ROFL