@Naoki Yoshida-> Make Samurai a DPS class!!!

[Kiyashi]

That's funny considering the DPS argument is "We NEED a sword DPS!". That is actually the most ridiculous statement.

What's so ridiculous about it if it's true though? There isn't a 2 handed sword dps class and the one that should've been that role got switched to a tanking class in this game. It's about as ridiculous as wanting a universal dps class changed to a tank in this game b/c you just want it to be that.

[Iromi]

An Actual Thief class doesn't do much and even previous main line games hell even Zidane he was way more of a Warrior disguised as a Thief. Hell he had insane high defense + hp for a "Thief" course lore explains why. But even so, for it to work they would have to be only good at stealing really. thats the whole reason why it was good in other games. Stealing items and mug + getting good and rare items from Bosses would unbalance the game if they could steal high rare gear thats better than ilvls because there would be no point otherwise.

Zidane used like..some dual dagger weapon thing iirc, it was cool..but yea.

The THF I envision in XIV would be a really fast attacker, with lots of crits and multiple backstab abilities. I love dagger classes that have massive crits from the back Ninja kind of has that but its not a heavy DD...I am looking for a heavy DD. The dagger classes from L2 would be nice to see too. To me though ninja just feels like a support DD, it can't out DPS a SMN, BLM, MNK...etc. I mean if it did I think you have a really bad smn, blm, mnk..blah blah...

Just like how there is no heavy ranged pure DPS class (Ranger) in this game yet...well there isn't a dagger version of that either yet I kinda gave up hope for those though...lol dancer is my last hope for a DPS class that I may enjoy

[Empress]

Just like how there is no heavy ranged pure DPS class (Ranger) in this game yet...well there isn't a dagger version of that either yet I kinda gave up hope for those though...lol dancer is my last hope for a DPS class that I may enjoy

[Iromi]

Sorry I don't speak internet meme language..I have no idea what that means lol. I assume that is what it is?

...waste of a post not contributing anything being discussed?

But regarding what you quoted me..if you can show me a pure ranged DD (non support) I'll gladly level it. Ranger!! So TIL we have THF and RNG in FFXIV lol. Well.. I guess a lot of my friends will finally come play! They told me they would when we have RNG and THF ^^ Can you please link me to the jobs on the main website so I can show them?

[Empress]

Snip yet again because wtf is this

what you want is impossible with the current build of the game. it would have to be completely overhauled similar to ARR. Having a actual thief wouldn't work and a Ranger we have Bard. its literally ranger if you want to quote that. I definitely contributed because what you wrote does nothing if not worse to contribute to this conversation. You are quoting things that are already in the game and as balanced as they can be.

Best way for what You might want for Thief would be similar to Rikku from FFX. While that would work again would need to be reworked properly.

[Iromi]

snip.

why wouldn't it work? there's nothing in the game that would stop them from adding jobs like that.

Bard is NOT ranger. Not even close..Ranger used guns and cross bows. o.O

add another slot in dungeons for support or something idk I'm not game dev/innovator but as a game dev there is always ALWAYS a way for them to do this stuff. lol the build of this game can do a lot of stuff that we may not even be able to think of....like a SAM tank or DPS. Just how DRK could never be a tank..well look at it now. Meh.

[Empress]

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??? I can't really understand what You would want as skills. What they have currently in their skill pool actually works fine. I don't really think that other previous Archer classes in main line games had anything with a big pool of skills. Bravely Default only has abilities based off of how much damage per monster type they are *Bonus damage to dragons, birds ect*
Also the only other "Ranger Abilities" I can find are debuff inflicting. Which we already have some on Bard. Having toad status, mini, and more would either be too op or too useless. Especially since all monsters have immunity over time the more you cast debuffs which renders them useless. Mini and Toad would be too op because it would be similar to POTD just spam it and kill all mobs in seconds which while would be nice im not sure if people would like that. I wouldn't really mind being able to burn through mobs in seconds even better with toad aoe but devs would probably say no

[Shippuu]

What's so ridiculous about it if it's true though? There isn't a 2 handed sword dps class and the one that should've been that role got switched to a tanking class in this game. It's about as ridiculous as wanting a universal dps class changed to a tank in this game b/c you just want it to be that.

Because there's no magical rule that demands there ever be a sword DPS job. It's not some gigantic thing that must exist in this game or any game. So no, it isn't true at all. The game doesn't NEED a 2h sword DPS, people just WANT one. There's a big difference.

There you go ignoring all the evidence and logic that make SAM a strong candidate for a tank again.

[HiroKirito]

That's funny considering the most common DPS argument is "We NEED a sword DPS!". That is actually the most ridiculous statement.

I mean I did state that imo all the reasons given are a bit of a joke, I want a Sam dps, which I did say is just personal preference, not a why Sam "MUST" be a dps same as your example or even the "must be a tank because we need drk knight in eastern gear with a katana" the reasons people are claiming "must" be dps or tank are not really great reasons, I've yet to see any to convince me why it "must" be x type is all.

Idk I see alot of people claiming to be tank mains and taking everything as a personal attack and then getting very defensive and high horsey about it all, I was a tank main until 3.3 and ik how important the role is, I also know how stale it can get and I don't see how a shiny new job will fix that and make it feel refreshing.

Regardless of what people think though the decision will already have been made, one side or the others going to be disappointed, or maybe both.

[AlphaFox]

I think the main issue is almost every class (Tank or Healer) that has been suggested has been bombarded with "NO, make it a DPS!" Dark Knight, Samurai, Redmage, Dancer and it seems to constantly be tossed back that we have many more jobs that tanks could have, which then I don't see any listed other than "Rune Fencer" or whatever the job was, yet that seems more like a Redmage just a name twist.