Can Red Mage start at level 30?

[ErryK]

Getting new classes in MMOs traditionally means you start leveling from scratch. I'm not sure why y'all are acting like doing so would be some monumental undertaking.

And they shouldn't require players to hit 50 on a different class to access other classes. That cuts out a huge chunk of the annoying grind right away.

"Traditionally" Looks like FFXIV is breaking that tradition in order to do a service for people who purchase their games. Who knew game devs would "coddle" players? As you so put it eloquently in another post.

Well that's how the game works, I'm not complaining, I have everything at 60 (and have had all at 60 since week 1 of 3.1) and if a player has to go through the MSQ and up to 50 to gain new jobs, then so be it. I put the effort and time, what's stopping others? If SE really wanted to "coddle" their players, they'd make the MSQ last 1 quest that goes from A to B and gives you instant EXP up to Lv90.

give person option to either start at 30 or 50.

Well isn't it great we have PotD and dungeons that sync you down to those levels!

[Naunet]

"Traditionally" Looks like FFXIV is breaking that tradition in order to do a service for people who purchase their games. Who knew game devs would "coddle" players? As you so put it eloquently in another post.

Way to pick on a word I deliberately used in a sarcastic manner as a reference to a completely different post by a completely different person.

I'm not sure what "service" they are doing when walling the jobs behind 50 levels of a potentially unwanted other job. That sounds much more like an inconvenience to me.

I would like it to start at 60 personally so don't have to do the HW fate grind again.

Honestly, I'm working on my second/third job from 50 to 60 on my main and... It hasn't been bad at all? Feels faster than 1-50 even. We've been mostly doing a mix of hunts and dungeons and have plowed through 8 out of the 10 levels so far quite fast.

[ErryK]

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Sarcastic? You were using it to emphasize the fact that SE is handholding players by letting them start at 50. And on top of that, why shouldn't they? It's their game. Doesn't matter if it's a different post, you said that having it at 50 is "coddling" players, so don't even try to BS your way out by stating it was a reply to someone else. The context is still there.

It wouldn't be an inconvenience to even new players... they get to 50 on any ARR job, then they go to the RDM guild or wherever, get the new job and they're already Lv50. Only AST, MCH and DRK are troublesome.

[Naunet]

It wouldn't be an inconvenience to even new players... they get to 50 on any ARR job, then they go to the RDM guild or wherever, get the new job and they're already Lv50. Only AST, MCH and DRK are troublesome.

Please go back and pay attention to the exchange I was having so you can understand the context I used the word "coddling" in. -_-;

"Hey I've had my eye on FFXIV and the red mage job looks really neat!" says an unsuspecting new player, only to find that no, they can't actually make a character and play as the class they want as they would in any other MMO - instead they must play through one third of the game before ever being able to touch that which drew them in the first place. THAT is the inconvenience.

And are we still ignoring the FACT that SE admitted locking MCH, AST, and DRK away was a mistake? Yet they insist on doing the same thing here?

[ErryK]

Please go back and pay attention to the exchange I was having so you can understand the context I used the word "coddling" in. -_-;

"Hey I've had my eye on FFXIV and the red mage job looks really neat!" says an unsuspecting new player, only to find that no, they can't actually make a character and play as the class they want as they would in any other MMO - instead they must play through one third of the game before ever being able to touch that which drew them in the first place. THAT is the inconvenience.

Life is full of hardships... oh no. Also, coddling can be a good thing, like being Lv50 in a new job.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

And are we still ignoring the FACT that SE admitted locking MCH, AST, and DRK away was a mistake? Yet they insist on doing the same thing here?

They admitted locking them behind the walls of a city only accessible by completing the entire 2.0 story was a bad idea. I have a feeling you will be able to unlock the new jobs upon completing Praetorium.

[Dualblade]

They admitted locking them behind the walls of a city only accessible by completing the entire 2.0 story was a bad idea. I have a feeling you will be able to unlock the new jobs upon completing Praetorium.

This is the most likely scenario in my mind, POSSIBLY with an additional requirment of having THM and CNJ up to 30. Given that the classless jobs we currently have did not need any other classes unlocked/at certain levels to start playing however I don't think it will happen, but its the second most likely thing to happen in my mind as well all things considered.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

"Hey I've had my eye on FFXIV and the red mage job looks really neat!" says an unsuspecting new player, only to find that no, they can't actually make a character and play as the class they want as they would in any other MMO - instead they must play through one third of the game before ever being able to touch that which drew them in the first place. THAT is the inconvenience?

Is it truly such an inconvenience to be expected to play the game in order to access content within said game? I'm still tryingvto understand this mindset, TBQH.

[basketofseals]

Is it truly such an inconvenience to be expected to play the game in order to access content within said game? I'm still tryingvto understand this mindset, TBQH.

Because in an MMO, it's VERY important for people to be able to customize their playstyle. That's also the reason we have things like glamours, different mounts, houses, and other things. Some people enjoy a specific playstyle, and having a job with that playstyle locked behind a 40 hour wall isn't good game or business sense. Players shouldn't have to work to have fun. They should be having fun all the time.

Tell that to any new players looking to start WoW that wants to play Demon Hunters requiring you to have a level 70 character on the server (well a server, doesn't matter which one as long as you make the DH on that realm). It really isn't that uncommon as you are making it out to be. TERA is another example with their Reaper class and requiring you have a level 40 character before making one. I could probably dig up more examples if you would like.

Doesn't simply purchasing Legion grant you a level boost which is more than sufficient for unlocking Demon Hunter? Also in TERA you could have a friend power level you to 40 in a couple hours if they had a warrior or a mystic.

[Naunet]

Because in an MMO, it's VERY important for people to be able to customize their playstyle. That's also the reason we have things like glamours, different mounts, houses, and other things. Some people enjoy a specific playstyle, and having a job with that playstyle locked behind a 40 hour wall isn't good game or business sense. Players shouldn't have to work to have fun. They should be having fun all the time.

Precisely. Blizzard practically gives away levels, which makes any associated requirements completely painless. It has a negligible, almost non-existent, effect on new players and doesn't affect old players at all. FFXIV's strategy, however, affects new and old players a lot in a very noticeable way. It's not that you need ANY character leveled to 50 and through the storyline - it's that if you want to start a new character, you have to level that specific one all the way through again. That is a VERY different beast.