Can Red Mage start at level 30?

[Lilyth]

Imo, RDM should start out as lvl 30 like all normal jobs.
Personally I wouldn't even complain if it was level 1, like you know... all the new classes you never played before should be?

People that are too laz... I mean, don't wanna go through leveling again, they can all just go ahead and buy jump potions. Isn't that the reason they are being implemented anyway?

[loreleidiangelo]

For story and because they don't want to completely remove leveling. Like I said, at 50, you actually have a rotation to build around. It's the 1-50 grind most people hate.

Idk, I think that's kinda arbitrary. If ARR content is "undesirable" for RDM, then by the time it's released HW content is too. You'll even see that people in this thread want it to start at 60 and not 50, so they're not 10 levels behind their friends if they want to main RDM when Stormblood starts. (Count me among one of those people.)

That said, the people who want it to start at 30 seem to be the kinds of people who use leveling characters as busywork during content lulls, and not people who are interested in playing the class competitively when it launches. Short of letting people pick what level the job starts at, it giving us a free level boost potion at the start of Stormblood, there's simply no way for SE to please both camps.

[Khalithar]

People that are too laz... I mean, don't wanna go through leveling again, they can all just go ahead and buy jump potions. Isn't that the reason they are being implemented anyway?

The jump potions won't be available until after Stormblood launches and won't be available for the new Jobs anyway. Also you shouldn't assume people that don't want to level from 50 are lazy. I've leveled EVERYTHING to 60 myself (here's my character if you need proof: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...cter/11140107/ )and I think red mage should start at 60 also. Why you may ask?

You'll even see that people in this thread want it to start at 60 and not 50, so they're not 10 levels behind their friends if they want to main RDM when Stormblood starts. (Count me among one of those people.)

Lorelei here sums it up correctly and she is absolutely right. I posted it earlier and I will repeat here, I think the new Jobs should start at 60 with a brief tutorial quest that gives you your skills in order of use so you know how to play the class. It doesn't have to be super detailed but WoW did something like that with their latest expansion. The new xpac in WoW is level 100 to level 110 and if you buy the expansion you get the option to boost a character to level 100 to jump right in to the new content but before that you do a brief tutorial that gives a very easy to understand and simple explanation of the basics and then throws you in to a combat mission to really try it out in action, in my opinion it's well done.

[Zarex]

Why do people keep asking for the new jobs to start at 30 or lower cause they can't learn in time. It takes almost the same amount of XP from 50-60 as 1-50 and if they do the same for 60-70 how could they not know how to play in time, even if you gave them 1-100 there would be people who still wouldn't know how to play

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Idk, I think that's kinda arbitrary. If ARR content is "undesirable" for RDM, then by the time it's released HW content is too. You'll even see that people in this thread want it to start at 60 and not 50, so they're not 10 levels behind their friends if they want to main RDM when Stormblood starts. (Count me among one of those people.)

That said, the people who want it to start at 30 seem to be the kinds of people who use leveling characters as busywork during content lulls, and not people who are interested in playing the class competitively when it launches. Short of letting people pick what level the job starts at, it giving us a free level boost potion at the start of Stormblood, there's simply no way for SE to please both camps.

Oh, I don't disagree. I should have clarified that is more an acceptable compromise for me. Ten levels is enough I can speed through quickly and not lag too far behind. Granted, I would prefer being able to switch to Red Mage and start Stormblood immediately.

That is certainly how I look at leveling. It's keeping me occupied to learn new jobs I haven't leveled yet, but I wouldn't call it fun per se. Some parts have been. Others? Less so. (Looking at you early Marauder and Conjurer.) I'm not looking forward to leveling Arcanist either.

[Lexia]

I miss the days of XI when leveling was part of the gameplay, Like when expansion came out in XI and had a new job back to level 1 if wanted to play that job and everyone that has played XI knows what leveling was like in that game. Now I'm not saying need to start at level 1 in XIV but think 30 is fine to start at or least like someone else said least give person option to either start at 30 or 50. For me expansions are kind of new air in terms of leveling as there a new job to leveling (if I feel want to play the new job being added) otherwise it not really new it just swapping one job for another and continuing the same treadmill.

[SigmaOZ]

Some people enjoy leveling and learning their jobs can we start at level 30. Instead of 50 it makes more sense since jobs (including heavenward jobs) start at 30.

No thanks!...

Level 50 is enough grind already, if you feel you need to level up more in order to learn a new job then make an alt character or more and have them level up the same job over and over until you feel you are good enough!...

[Kewitt]

Ya really if it starts at 50 you going to miss out on red lore.

[Naunet]

The issue with consistency is this implies that we will get new Jobs only at Level 30. The issue with this is the gap between endgame and cap, and in my honest opinion, they are expecting this gap, which is why RDM is starting at Lv50.

Now keeping that in mind and enforcing this while the cap is, let's say, 99. That's 60+ levels required out of the player to reach endgame. That's ridiculous... on top of the fact that potentially, the player would be required to hit Lv50 on one class beforehand as well. It's asking too much of a single player.

Getting new classes in MMOs traditionally means you start leveling from scratch. I'm not sure why y'all are acting like doing so would be some monumental undertaking.

And they shouldn't require players to hit 50 on a different class to access other classes. That cuts out a huge chunk of the annoying grind right away.

The devs do not consider alts part of the argument since you have no actually need of them. Nevertheless, the flip side of your argument is by starting Red Mage at 1 or 30, everyone else is now forced to grind through old content-- in essence "locking" them away from their preferred job.

How is playing red mage from 1-whatever or 30-whatever locking someone out of their preferred job? They would literally be playing the job they wanted. The system as it is, however, DOES lock people out of their preferred job - you cannot start a character and play as DRK, AST, MCH, or (in the future) red mage and presumably whatever other new job we get.

They've already acknowledged in the past that they thought the barrier for DRK, AST, and MCH was ill-thought out. I do not understand why they are repeating the issue with jobs in Stormblood.

[StarRosie]

I honestly think they should split the dif and have RDM start at 40, that still gives people 30 lvls to work with for Red Lore and all that, plus its not that far from the max level. I think starting at 40 would be a good compromise there.