Can Red Mage start at level 30?

[Jandor]

Seriously, it doesn't make sense to start at 50. Jobs start at 30. That's a thing, it makes sense, it's why DRK AST and MCH start at 30.

I don't care if that is changed, but I care about consistency. If the other jobs aren't starting at 50 then Red shouldn't.

[Ariane]

Seriously, it doesn't make sense to start at 50. Jobs start at 30. That's a thing, it makes sense, it's why DRK AST and MCH start at 30.

I don't care if that is changed, but I care about consistency. If the other jobs aren't starting at 50 then Red shouldn't.

It does make sense. Its because they can't keep making job story quests for every job starting at 30. It will get even worst after a couple more expansions. MCH/DRK/AST starting at level 30 was probably in part decided because that means they didn't have to make a story quests for the 1-30 levels.

[ErryK]

Seriously, it doesn't make sense to start at 50. Jobs start at 30. That's a thing, it makes sense, it's why DRK AST and MCH start at 30.

I don't care if that is changed, but I care about consistency. If the other jobs aren't starting at 50 then Red shouldn't.

The issue with consistency is this implies that we will get new Jobs only at Level 30. The issue with this is the gap between endgame and cap, and in my honest opinion, they are expecting this gap, which is why RDM is starting at Lv50.

Now keeping that in mind and enforcing this while the cap is, let's say, 99. That's 60+ levels required out of the player to reach endgame. That's ridiculous... on top of the fact that potentially, the player would be required to hit Lv50 on one class beforehand as well. It's asking too much of a single player.

[Naunet]

The issue with consistency is this implies that we will get new Jobs only at Level 30. The issue with this is the gap between endgame and cap, and in my honest opinion, they are expecting this gap, which is why RDM is starting at Lv50.

Now keeping that in mind and enforcing this while the cap is, let's say, 99. That's 60+ levels required out of the player to reach endgame. That's ridiculous... on top of the fact that potentially, the player would be required to hit Lv50 on one class beforehand as well. It's asking too much of a single player.

Getting new classes in MMOs traditionally means you start leveling from scratch. I'm not sure why y'all are acting like doing so would be some monumental undertaking.

And they shouldn't require players to hit 50 on a different class to access other classes. That cuts out a huge chunk of the annoying grind right away.

The devs do not consider alts part of the argument since you have no actually need of them. Nevertheless, the flip side of your argument is by starting Red Mage at 1 or 30, everyone else is now forced to grind through old content-- in essence "locking" them away from their preferred job.

How is playing red mage from 1-whatever or 30-whatever locking someone out of their preferred job? They would literally be playing the job they wanted. The system as it is, however, DOES lock people out of their preferred job - you cannot start a character and play as DRK, AST, MCH, or (in the future) red mage and presumably whatever other new job we get.

They've already acknowledged in the past that they thought the barrier for DRK, AST, and MCH was ill-thought out. I do not understand why they are repeating the issue with jobs in Stormblood.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

How is playing red mage from 1-whatever or 30-whatever locking someone out of their preferred job? They would literally be playing the job they wanted. The system as it is, however, DOES lock people out of their preferred job - you cannot start a character and play as DRK, AST, MCH, or (in the future) red mage and presumably whatever other new job we get.

They've already acknowledged in the past that they thought the barrier for DRK, AST, and MCH was ill-thought out. I do not understand why they are repeating the issue with jobs in Stormblood.

It's not locking in the traditional sense, but in lieu of experiencing all the new content, you're grinding through old dungeons for hours. You have to keep in mind, they want to cater towards current subs with the jobs not people leveling alts or brand new characters. The issue with DRK, AST and MCH wasn't their level but the fact you had to complete the entirety of ARR and all its patches before you could unlock them. Red Mage can be accessed the moment you reach 50. A lot of veteran players don't want to grind what may be their 5th, 6th, 14th job. If you do, old dungeons and PotD recreate that option. Perhaps not to the extent you may prefer, but they were never going to please us all.

[SendohJin]

I don't care if that is changed, but I care about consistency. If the other jobs aren't starting at 50 then Red shouldn't.

Change is the consistency. HW jobs don't have associated classes is the 3.0 change. SB jobs not starting at 30 is the 4.0 change. Now you have your consistency.

[Grymmjow]

I'll take 50 on my RDM. I would much rather get into Stormblood asap. 30-70 doesn't appeal to me but, I would do it if I had to. So 50 is better for me =)

[Lexia]

I'll take 50 on my RDM. I would much rather get into Stormblood asap. 30-70 doesn't appeal to me but, I would do it if I had to. So 50 is better for me =)

You mean you "much rather get into stormblood as rdm asap"? Cause otherwise there nothing stopping you from getting into the expansion asap once it gets released.

[EdwinLi]

As much as I see issues with this I don't see much issues with this considering didn't they say there is a level lock behind this Job anyways so players can not instantly play Red Mage until, probably, they obtain their first level 50 Job and have the 4.0 Expansion.

Also it probably won't take long for players to learn how to player Red Mage if they actual want to put effort into that Job once they organize the skills. Probably a day or so to adjust to Red Mage combat style if I have to guess.

[Grymmjow]

Ninja had to lvl rogue, maybe since you care about consistency you should be mad about DRK, AST and MCH starting at 30 and not having to lvl classes.