DF Tanks and Whm

[PArcher]

its not that hard lol, I don't main a tank but can easily pull off 1K+ dps with with ilvl250 as a MT in alex A9-A12

No, its not if you have healers who can keep you up and keep the party up. If your healers, DPS or other tank are derps, standing in stuff, not killing adds, etc, and you don't get heals tanking, you're going to die. Tank stance can save you there (especially on WAR with those OP self heals in Defiance).

Also

WHM that likes to spam medic II and pull aggro.

If you're a good tank, no-one in DF will pull aggro from you. Even when full-on DPSing. If you lose aggro, its all on you.

Heck, even in Savage the main tank is expected to keep aggro and DPS.

[Yeol]

If you're a good tank, no-one in DF will pull aggro from you. Even when full-on DPSing. If you lose aggro, its all on you.

Heck, even in Savage the main tank is expected to keep aggro and DPS.

This actually goes back to the party.
DPs and healers have abilities to reduce their aggro generation. It helps tanks a lot, but sadly you won't find people using them regularly in DF because they don't think they are necessary.

[PArcher]

This actually goes back to the party.
DPs and healers have abilities to reduce their aggro generation. It helps tanks a lot, but sadly you won't find people using them regularly in DF because they don't think they are necessary.

I do Alex normal on two characters each week (usually as tank...and I know I'm crazy already, thanks), I've never had issues holding aggro, even in DPS stance. Usually those who don't reduce their enmity don't generate enough to require it to be reduced, and those that can potentially steal aggro use their abilities. If I slip up, or someone good does forget, I need to be in tank stance a little longer and use another aggro combo or three. Not a big deal; I'm not in DF to get good DPS, I'm there to get my weekly token as painlessly as possible. Savage is where I really try to get good numbers.
And if I'm in tank stance the entire time thanks to something going wrong (even if that's just a bad party), I don't even pay attention to party aggro since I'm generating too much, unless I'm on DRK (seriously, if a WAR loses hate they're just bad. Or ridiculously undergeared)

[HyoMinPark]

I expect tank to pull 1k+ dps

Your expectations are WAY too high for Duty Finder. You may want to lower them, or you will just continue to be disappointed.

u can recover ur tp during downtime

If said fight offers downtime. Or if you have support DPS to help you out. And since you're talking about Alexander, not a lot of the fights have "downtime", save for A8N, and A12N (can't remember Gordias so, those fights may have downtime, too).

And, with DF, you can't guarantee you'll be lucky enough to get a BRD or MCH. And it will take even MORE luck to get one that knows how to sing/promote their turret.

This actually goes back to the party.
DPs and healers have abilities to reduce their aggro generation. It helps tanks a lot, but sadly you won't find people using them regularly in DF because they don't think they are necessary.

^ This. Case in point, perfect example last night in A9N. BLM with 5-6 pieces of 270 gear, fully melded, severely outgearing the MT in the party, complained about MT not holding hate when they did absolutely nothing to control their own aggro (never once saw Quelling go off). Healers in A12N that overheal, and don't manage their hate, and then complain when they rip Alexander Prime off the MT and get slaughtered. People don't feel the need to manage their own hate, and seem to equate using skills like Quelling Strikes as more of a DPS reduction rather than enmity reduction.



Sorry, OP. If I don't know the healers, I am NOT going to drop my tank stance; I'd rather have that padding. I only drop mine if I am with healers I know will keep me up, or if I notice that the PUG healer I have is actually competent.

[SundayTrash]

If you're a good tank, no-one in DF will pull aggro from you. Even when full-on DPSing. If you lose aggro, its all on you.

Heck, even in Savage the main tank is expected to keep aggro and DPS.

not if u have whm that can't control their aggro by spamming medicia II and not using shroud.

[Miste]

If you're a good tank, no-one in DF will pull aggro from you. Even when full-on DPSing. If you lose aggro, its all on you.

If you've seen the amount of WHM and AST I've seen overhealing like mad you wouldn't say such a thing. Also yeah like others said healers like that don't know what Shroud is or care about their hate.

I even saw an AST use Collective right at the beginning of a fight for no reason and use a Diurnal Aspected Helios since obviously the Collectives 3500 HP a tick regen on everyone wasn't enough right /sarcasm lol, MT could no longer use anything but hate combos since the AST was right on his butt with hate because of senseless massive overhealing. Oh and this was without dropping tank stance...if he dropped it the AST would definitely have hate.

Tanks fault? Hell no.

[PArcher]

If you've seen the amount of WHM and AST I've seen overhealing like mad you wouldn't say such a thing. Also yeah like others said healers like that don't know what Shroud is or care about their hate.

I even saw an AST use Collective right at the beginning of a fight for no reason and use a Diurnal Aspected Helios since obviously the Collectives 3500 HP a tick regen on everyone wasn't enough right /sarcasm lol, MT could no longer use anything but hate combos since the AST was right on his butt with hate because of senseless massive overhealing. Oh and this was without dropping tank stance...if he dropped it the AST would definitely have hate.

Tanks fault? Hell no.

At this point you're just dealing with trolls doing this on purpose. Not your average DFer. They can get kicked and reported for griefing

[Miste]

At this point you're just dealing with trolls doing this on purpose. Not your average DFer. They can get kicked and reported for griefing

Honestly I wish I could believe they are all just trolling, but I see healers spam and generate massive hate really often now and most WHM's I see never touch shroud. It's disheartening. I really doubt I am running into that many trolls...maybe some of them were.

[Gemina]

If you've seen the amount of WHM and AST I've seen overhealing like mad you wouldn't say such a thing. Also yeah like others said healers like that don't know what Shroud is or care about their hate.

I even saw an AST use Collective right at the beginning of a fight for no reason and use a Diurnal Aspected Helios since obviously the Collectives 3500 HP a tick regen on everyone wasn't enough right /sarcasm lol, MT could no longer use anything but hate combos since the AST was right on his butt with hate because of senseless massive overhealing. Oh and this was without dropping tank stance...if he dropped it the AST would definitely have hate.

Tanks fault? Hell no.

Agreed. Over healing generates serious hate. I don't care how good of a tank you are, I can easily steal hate if I wanted spamming AoE heals on a topped party, or even topped tank and essentially kill myself and force a wipe. The really good tanks can remain competitive, but it is so difficult and makes them work so much harder. Even if you still can maintain hate and wear your tank badge high and proud, you shouldn't have to work that hard. DF is hard, yes. But it should not be THAT hard.