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  1. #1111
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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTXShiva View Post
    As for the solution, it will always be divisive; no matter what they implement. The question is which solution does the most good/harm, and if implementing more than one would yield better results.
    I'm more annoyed that we at this point tbh... I have been watching and disagreeing with story gating decisions for years (pretty much since the game lauched), and it frustrating that it has come to this considering it could all have been avoided very easily. The devs have also known about the problems with heavensward since 6 months before heavensward launched (shall we say 2 years ago?) and yet they learned nothing about the consequences of gating. It's less that people don't see the positives, and more that the positives are themselves fixes to problems that the devs willingly caused (and are charging to remove).
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  2. #1112
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    Lol that first day ARR launched ... Sorry, Lambdafish made me think of it for some reason.

    "ALRIGHT LETS GO"
    You can't be in a group
    "ok well guess we can't be in a group"
    /invite back after
    "Alright lets go!"
    You can't be in a group
    /tableflip... > invite back
    " ok to the dungeon ! "
    one of your party members does not meet the requirements
    /starts foaming at mouth
    "Ok you know what... I'll just meet you at the end."

    No really though, this is stupid annoying, obviously I'm exaggerating a bit and it smooths out once you have that first job leveled, but ya, you made me think of that for some reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    I really would like to see stuff that's challenging but doesn't require me to have seven other people whose schedule all must align with mine.
    I agree with this big time. Unfortunately they most likely won't stray from the formula much... could be wrong. Maybe more PotD type stuff though sprinkled in there.

    Anyway I'm getting off topic, sorry guys.
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    Last edited by Imoen; 12-20-2016 at 09:05 PM.

  3. #1113
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    T'paoh Djanis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
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    I agree. This could have been foreseen and probably has been, but at the same time, this story telling method was/is also what made the game very compelling and interesting in the first place.
    One problem I always see in other MMOs is precisely the lack of direction with X systems in place and little idea how/where to get them.
    In a way this was like an experiment; you know it could fizzle, but you had to find out how.
    The first time you're in a new country, you don't know where things are; like that pizza place on 5th ave. They're "gated" until someone tells you about it. It works great the first time and for the people that are curious and like to explore. Not so great for people who already know about it and are just trying to get a taxi to go there.
    I honestly would be more displeased with quests being removed, as that does affect one experience over another. This solution to me is a choice as to how to reach the destination.
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  4. #1114
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    Looks like I'll be back when they add these bad boys! c:

    I dropped the game now because being forced to do story quests is just awful. It's a MMO and people should have options. I prefer grinding mobs and grinding dungeons, not playing fetch and being gated from everything because I didn't give toast to Cindy.


    Obviously the smart option would be to not make MSQ mandatory like every other MMO on the market. But they seem to be against that so eh, I'll definitely be buying these.
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  5. #1115
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    Ayuna Kahri
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    My Feedback (It was too long to fit here):
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

    Because your forum has a 1000 character cap, and I wrote a 3689 character long post...i'm just going to post this google docs link to what I spent 20 mins writing. Because I don't think I can give anything useful in 1000 characters. If you want to read my feedback then great, if you don't because it's on an external link then whatever, It's your loss. I'm trying to give some good feedback because I care about this game.

    P.S: Maybe have your forum tell people they have hit the character cap BEFORE they go 2689 characters over, because the number of people who simply delete their post and not bother after that must be staggering :P
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  6. #1116
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatPlayer View Post
    Obviously the smart option would be to not make MSQ mandatory like every other MMO on the market. But they seem to be against that so eh, I'll definitely be buying these.
    To be fair the game is a Final Fantasy game first and a MMO second but yes the story quests in ARR could have been so much better, they shot themselves in the foot making it really fetch questy.
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    Final Fantasy XIV forums in a nutshell
    Quote Originally Posted by Saccharin View Post
    I stopped reading here. I really did. Can people stop asking for FF14 to be FF11 reborn. They tried that and look what happened.

  7. #1117
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanopizza View Post
    My Feedback (It was too long to fit here):
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

    Because your forum has a 1000 character cap, and I wrote a 3689 character long post...i'm just going to post this google docs link to what I spent 20 mins writing. Because I don't think I can give anything useful in 1000 characters. If you want to read my feedback then great, if you don't because it's on an external link then whatever, It's your loss. I'm trying to give some good feedback because I care about this game.

    P.S: Maybe have your forum tell people they have hit the character cap BEFORE they go 2689 characters over, because the number of people who simply delete their post and not bother after that must be staggering :P
    You can do a filler post and then edit that post to go past the 1000 character limit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yasuhiro View Post
    To be fair the game is a Final Fantasy game first and a MMO second but yes the story quests in ARR could have been so much better, they shot themselves in the foot making it really fetch questy.
    No where on the box, webstie, wiki, subscription, ToA, ToS does it say that it's a "Final fantasy game first and a MMO second". All it says is that it's a MMORPG. If because it's Final Fantasy means they can only stick to one formula, then we shouldn't have a FF mmo at all right? Because Final Fantasy is a single player rpg. They designed themselves into a corner with this design, it's not a single player and shouldn't operate like one.
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    Last edited by ThatPlayer; 12-20-2016 at 10:57 PM.

  8. #1118
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanopizza View Post
    post
    You can over 1000 characters by editing your post .
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  9. #1119
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatPlayer View Post
    No where on the box, webstie, wiki, subscription, ToA, ToS does it say that it's a "Final fantasy game first and a MMO second". All it says is that it's a MMORPG. If because it's Final Fantasy means they can only stick to one formula, then we shouldn't have a FF mmo at all right? Because Final Fantasy is a single player rpg. They designed themselves into a corner with this design, it's not a single player and shouldn't operate like one.
    Uh... it says it on the box Final Fantasy XIV: A realm reborn with online tacked on its narrative should have told you that it plays out like a mainline FF game.
    It's your fault for not being familiar with the series and not doing research on this game. I knew what I was getting into, and I admit the ARR quests suck but I knew I was playing a mainline Final Fantasy title.
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    Final Fantasy XIV forums in a nutshell
    Quote Originally Posted by Saccharin View Post
    I stopped reading here. I really did. Can people stop asking for FF14 to be FF11 reborn. They tried that and look what happened.

  10. #1120
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasuhiro View Post
    Uh... it says it on the box Final Fantasy XIV: A realm reborn with online tacked on its narrative should have told you that it plays out like a mainline FF game.
    It's your fault for not being familiar with the series and not doing research on this game.
    I just typed "Final Fantasy XIV" into Google and...

    Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn
    Online game
    9/10 · Steam
    Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn is a massively multiplayer online role-playing game for Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X, PlayStation 3, and PlayStation 4. Wikipedia
    Initial release date: August 24, 2013
    Again, no where does it say it's a single player, plays like one, or it's "Final fantasy first and a MMO second". It's also hurting them in some type of way, this game being designed like this, hence the jump potions...

    Edit: I also went to the website to act as if I were buying it and this is what it says in the description

    FINAL FANTASY® XIV is a massively multiplayer online role-playing game that invites you to explore the realm of Eorzea with friends from around the world. Forge friendships, mount chocobos, and board airships as you and your companions create your unique stories. Set out alone or enlist the aid of friends as you undertake epic quests, battle familiar FINAL FANTASY® monsters, and acquire unique abilities and equipment.
    Requires monthly subscription.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yasuhiro View Post
    Again, your fault for not being familiar with the series. It also says RPG on the end it being part of the mainline titles didn't tip you off?
    MMORPG? Lol all MMOs say they're "MMORPGS" none of them forces you to do the main story quests. So how is that my fault? It's advertised as a MMO so therefore it should operate as an MMO not a single player lol. Again, the name "Final Fantasy" doesn't mean "it has to be a single player" Or else 14 and 11 (I think that's the other MMO) would be single player games. No where did SE say that FF HAS to be a single player. When it's all said and done you can not get mad at people that came to a game advertised as a MMO, for wanting to play a MMO.

    Which is why he's adding the jump potions because the design is horribly flawed for a MMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yasuhiro View Post
    I'm not even talking about that, you're right it doesn't have to be single player but it being a mainline game means its going to follow some form of series tradition is what I'm getting at. This isn't WoW, it's not SWTOR, it's a mainline Final Fantasy game. As someone else said once you see XIV on the end of the box maybe you should look the series up, not even trying to be condescending so I'm sorry if I come off as hostile.
    I can't post any more because I'm not level 50 or whatever =/

    But as someone else just pointed out, once it became a MMORPG it lost the "classic tradition" that you're talking about. If it has to keep it then this should be turned based too, yeah? Even 15 isn't turned based. It's advertised as a MMO, why should I have to go look at the SINGLE PLAYER games when I'm trying to play the MMORPG? That doesn't even make sense, that's like saying you can't play Mario Kart without looking into the original Super Mario. They're two different genres just under the same creator.
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    Last edited by ThatPlayer; 12-20-2016 at 11:24 PM.

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