Naoki Yoshida's Comment in Regard to Jump Potions/Boost Potions

[Lemonhead]

Hopefully this hasn't been suggested already (as I'm not about to read through 100+ pages to find out), but maybe the job jump potions shouldn't set their respective class/job quest lines as having been completed? The job and story potions are separate because not everyone who wants to have a job at 60 also wants to skip story content, and each class and job has a quest line and solo instances that can't be repeated later. Give people the skills from those quest lines, sure, but I think some players might enjoy the opportunity to play through those quests at their own pace, especially if they aren't required to do so to gain access to necessary skills and abilities.

Leaving those quests incomplete also prevents people from just buying titles, as all of the new job-specific titles, as well as the Grandmaster of War/Magic titles, are tied to the completion of job quests, rather than simply reaching level 60. Not everyone cares about titles and achievements, of course, but I suspect there are enough who do that this is something that should be taken into consideration. This would mean that players who choose to jump could still get those titles (and get to feel like they'd earned them) by playing the appropriate quests, and those players who leveled their jobs in the traditional way wouldn't feel like the titles no longer had value.

Just a thought.

[Chiramu]

Jump potions that skip story should be compiled into one Jump potion imo. Like with WoW in Legion, you cannot buy boost to 90 anymore, there is only boost to 100. SE should compile ARR and HW Jump potions or it is money grabbing imo.

[VTXShiva]

Jump potions that skip story should be compiled into one Jump potion imo. Like with WoW in Legion, you cannot buy boost to 90 anymore, there is only boost to 100. SE should compile ARR and HW Jump potions or it is money grabbing imo.

They already clarified the leveling potion will work the same as the leveling potion in WoW in your example. Once stormblood hits, 50 becomes 60.
For the story, the only reason they're still thinking about if they should keep both or meld them, is because they're trying to understand if people want the 2.0 skip potion only (for the sake of systems unlocks, etc) or for a full story skip.
They're trying to understand if people would rather have both, or just one. If people lean towards skip, the 2.0 potion will likely be upgraded; if people want the choice, they'll keep them both.

[Imoen]

As mentioned above, I suspect they will give one free with Stormblood. It wouldn't make sense otherwise. They alleviate one wall (MSQ grind) only to erect another (pay $40 extra). Subsequently putting them on the mogstation is to make a little extra on people who must have all 60s. Personally, I find it silly someone would potential spend $100+ dollars to boost jobs they won't even play. In any event, despite our frequent disagreements in this thread, I do actually agree endgame is among the game's biggest issues. The other reason I support a skip potion is it hopefully allows them to focus on more lasting content. They cannot afford to cater towards new players to the extent they have because their retention rate is abysmal. It certainly doesn't help dungeons and trials have gotten easier for the most part. People were patience in ARR because they were coming off the disaster of 1.x. Heavensward saw that patience erode somewhat with the frequent missteps (Gordias, LoV, Diadem to name a few). There won't be any more waiting around if Stormblood doesn't deliver.

Nah, mostly just me triggering on the p2w stuff because I have reasons that I unfortunately can't get into.

I do wish that we could not directly correlate, long term suggestions for the MSQ with a delay for the expansion though. I know you were just responding to Roth, but it comes off like "You can't make suggestions, or the expansion will be delayed!" and I don't think that is what you meant by that. I would rather just stick with "It takes resources/manpower, that could potentially take away from other things" which is a fair point.

I really hope they do what you are saying though because I don't want new players to get boned, especially with the whole thing being mostly "new players!" in the post. It seems contradictory. Lol definatly spot on with the 1.0 thing, I was one of those people, used to raid in 2.0, HW after the initial honeymoon, I got kind of bummed out with that (among other things like being swamped at work), so just went back to leveling all the things.

Lol I would not put it past someone to buy every job potion... crazy people I tell you... crazy.


PS no, i don't sleep. LOL

[Chiramu]

They already clarified the leveling potion will work the same as the leveling potion in WoW in your example. Once stormblood hits, 50 becomes 60.
For the story, the only reason they're still thinking about if they should keep both or meld them, is because they're trying to understand if people want the 2.0 skip potion only (for the sake of systems unlocks, etc) or for a full story skip.
They're trying to understand if people would rather have both, or just one. If people lean towards skip, the 2.0 potion will likely be upgraded; if people want the choice, they'll keep them both.

I didn't care for the boosted WoW characters I had, so I think people who use Jump potions will only care about doing current content imo.

[VTXShiva]

One recurring issue i have with this thread is how Logic and rationality tends to lose to Fee Fees more often than one would deem appropriate.

My biggest issue with the conversation isn't so much that it's pro/against, but rather the fact that it tends to devolve into change vs no change instead.
Quite often the conversation doesn't clarify if these potions are good/bad based on their upside and downside in comparison and on a scale, but rather if people "like them" or not.
I see the terms "entitled" and "instant gratification" thrown about as some form of pejorative to describe entitlement; yet somehow, the irony of the fact that the rigidness and inability or intent to adapt to change being just as much a form of entitlement seems lost to some of these people.

Humanity is a fucked up species, and while i love studying these behaviors, it can become oh so dull when you start foreseeing trends and reactions.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Nah, mostly just me triggering on the p2w stuff because I have reasons that I unfortunately can't discuss, that I am extra passionate about that.

I do wish that we could not directly correlate, long term suggestions for the MSQ with a delay for the expansion though. I know you were just responding to Roth, but it comes off like "You can't make suggestions, or the expansion will be delayed!" and I don't think that is what you meant by that. I would rather just stick with "It takes resources/manpower, that could potentially take away from other things" which is a fair point.

I really hope they do what you are saying though because I don't want new players to get boned, especially with the whole thing being mostly "new players!" in the post. It seems contradictory. Lol definatly spot on with the 1.0 thing, I was one of those people, used to raid in 2.0, HW after the initial honeymoon, I got kind of bummed out with that, so just went back to leveling all the things.

Lol I would not put it past someone to buy every job potion... crazy people I tell you... crazy.

And that's fair.

A potential delay is all speculative on what could happen if manpower was directed from new content. I more mean to articulate there has to be a trade off to these suggestions. Too many people have said "do this instead!" without considering the consequences. Unfortunately, money is always a factor. But resources.manpower more or less cover everything.

Definitely. It just wouldn't make sense to add a $40 charge for new players on top of everything else. People don't like season passes enough as it is. I got into raiding this tier, and with so much stuff done prior, the lack of endgame content shows. I really would like to see stuff that's challenging but doesn't require me to have seven other people whose schedule all must align with mine. I don't even want anything extreme. I'd be happy if I just couldn't pull the entire room of Xelphatol because it hurt. Tis why I like Weeping City so much.

Oh, they will lol. Then complain half the jobs are stupid.

[Stanelis]

Sure let's try to get some cash from the new players due to the bloating of the leveling process, both in terms of leveling and main story quests.

Shame, that's a terrible business practice.

[Lambdafish]

I see the terms "entitled" and "instant gratification" thrown about as some form of pejorative to describe entitlement; yet somehow, the irony of the fact that the rigidness and inability or intent to adapt to change being just as much a form of entitlement seems lost to some of these people.

Normally I would agree, but "entitlement" and "instant gratification" are very real fears in this instance, that Yoshi P himself even acknowledged. The thing is that the question posed was "Is Jump potion a good idea?" and the change vs. no change that you are picking up on is people literally saying yes or no to that question. If we reworded the question to say "What can be done about new players catching up quicker?" I'm sure there would be very few people saying "keep things as they are". The fact is that everyone acknowledges that there is a problem, but the solution of jump potions has proven divisive and there are a lot of very valid reasons why it is a bad thing (and I HOPE Yoshi P takes all feedback into account, as mis-steps right now would cause a lot of distrust, and an unhappy playerbase).

[VTXShiva]

-damn character limitations-

My point wasn't that instant gratification isn't a form of entitlement and a concern, but that some of the people yelling this are themselves entitled as they do not want things to change because they are comfortable with how things are. It's a dichotomy that isn't apparent unless people are willing to look at the perspective of the other "side", and many people tend to be vehemently against this thought process.

As i said. Yes/No is valid, when used to draw a conclusion based on positives and negatives, but many only see "positives" or "negatives" and either ignore or downplay the other arguments or use hyperbole to describe their stance. There is a noticeable lack of nuance.

As for the solution, it will always be divisive; no matter what they implement. The question is which solution does the most good/harm, and if implementing more than one would yield better results.