Please open floors 101-200 to queue!!

[magnanimousCynic]

I asked for the ability to convert a matched floor 100 save to be able to do floors 101+ with a fixed party...This allows a group to meet the preliminary requirements individually, meaning that when they actually meet up they can dive straight into the content rather than spending 4 hours (more than one play session) even getting to the content that they want to do.

If it takes 4 hours to do 51-100 then something is very wrong. That's an average of 48 minutes per 10 floors, and my matched runs are rarely over 30 minutes per ten floors if everyone has over 60/60. Or did you mean 1-100? If so then why not just start at 51? You don't need the first 50 floors to get a good stash of Pomanders for 101+.

[Lambdafish]

If it takes 4 hours to do 51-100 then something is very wrong. That's an average of 48 minutes per 10 floors, and my matched runs are rarely over 30 minutes per ten floors if everyone has over 60/60. Or did you mean 1-100? If so then why not just start at 51? You don't need the first 50 floors to get a good stash of Pomanders for 101+.

Sorry 2 1/2 - 3 hours, i.e. still one play session before you can even get into the content that you want to do.

[Renius]

The funny part of this is that there REALLY is NO reason to have it gated. You can choose what you want to do if you want to go it with fixed party that is YOUR choice. Don't try to dictate what I am doing based on what you want to do. No one is asking you to join a mixed party if YOU do not want to. You queue as you see fit. What is the big deal? I pay $$ and I want to have a choice that's called freedom of decision. Is there an amendment for that? How about “Freedom of Choice” is a fundamental right, grouped with a “Right to Privacy”. The Ninth Amendment alludes to it and the Fourteenth Amendment enforces it.

[Vidu]

I pay $$ and I want to have a choice that's called freedom of decision. Is there an amendment for that? How about “Freedom of Choice” is a fundamental right, grouped with a “Right to Privacy”. The Ninth Amendment alludes to it and the Fourteenth Amendment enforces it.

You're not seriously making your american laws arguments in this discussion, do you? They dont apply here, Freedom of Choice lies within SE/the devs and not you and how you want to play their game.
I explained already how it DOES influence the content wether its gated or not - and actually you're already able to do this content even if you dont have any friends who want to run it with you: Go in alone, thats an option.

I would prefer challenging content once in a while and if they open it up for DF, chances are, people expecting faceroll clears in there, getting upset when they dont get them and demand that the content gets nerfed. Why are you guys so upset about not being able to stick to your lonely wolf attitude AND seeing a minor part of the game? Is getting 1-3 more people to do stuff with you really that impossible for you?

The devs obviously saw a reason to have it gated - and its really their "Freedom of choice" that conuts here, not yours. You purchased their product but what that product exactly is is still up to them. Your Freedom of choice here is wether you want to pay for it or not - you're granted access to the game, nut guranteed access to every type of content...

[Renius]

I would prefer challenging content once in a while and if they open it up for DF, chances are, people expecting faceroll clears in there, getting upset when they dont get them and demand that the content gets nerfed. Why are you guys so upset about not being able to stick to your lonely wolf attitude AND seeing a minor part of the game? Is getting 1-3 more people to do stuff with you really that impossible for you?

Please explain how making it open changes the "challenging content"? Why are you so upset if I and others can get into it with a mixed party if you still can do whatever you choose? Go in it with a premade, that is an option and it has always been available for the socialites like you. We lone wolves have other preferences.

[Liii]

Please explain how making it open changes the "challenging content"? Why are you so upset if I and others can get into it with a mixed party if you still can do whatever you choose? Go in it with a premade, that is an option and it has always been available for the socialites like you. We lone wolves have other preferences.

If you read the arguments before, what people are concerned about isn't the fact that opening the content to pugs will immediately effect content. They're worried about how the new lvl 50 rogue (not ninja, who needs jobs skills anyways) queued in with your 2 healers who swear by healers don't dps 'I paid for this game therefore I will play how I want to' and yourself be you a tank/healer/dps, will handle mechanics on level 171+. Because odds are this kind of group comp will fail because if you don't trust pugs on expert roulette why would you trust them in challenging content? Moving forward a wipe occurs and you gotta start back at floor 51 (well shit). Then the same person who said 'gated game design is bad game design' comes to forums rants and raves how it's way too unfair and bad game design how you ALLOWED duty finder queues but the content can't be completed by duty finder pugs therefore NERF NERF NERF <--- oops that just changed the challenging content for me:/

On the other hand, the argument was made that they don't mind opening it to duty finder, but then you NEED TO BE LVL 60 JOB AND HAVE A TANK HEALER AND 2 DPS composition with minimum aether pool level because when it comes to randoms you NEED this sort of safety net. This is sounding like raid finder requirements and we all know how fast THOSE queues are ;D I mean, that doesn't change the content for me but that doesn't make it much more accessible does it?

I personally am fine with opening it to duty finder but you have to have regular duty finder rules for party composition or else for your own damn sake, you will NOT progress. Knowing this community, the second it opens up the salt mines asking for nerfs will come and it is the nerfs that will 'change the challenging content' for everyone.

[Vidu]

Please explain how making it open changes the "challenging content"? Why are you so upset if I and others can get into it with a mixed party if you still can do whatever you choose? Go in it with a premade, that is an option and it has always been available for the socialites like you. We lone wolves have other preferences.

*sigh*
Again? Really? You need this explanition again?

Look, its simple: You play this game to have fun. The devs want this game to be fun, so they design content that is supposed to fullfill this purpose. Dying and failing isnt fun for most people (and for the rest we have Dark Souls) and they also have those clear rates in mind that they want to see for content after so and so much time. To ensure that those are reached they have to make several desicions for that content - as in required ilvl, party set up etc. Based on that they can adjust the difficulty of the content. Putting content into the DF is basically them saying "We designed this content in a way that you can clear it with pugs" - and obviously content that you can clear with pugs MUST be easier than content you do in a fixed party since you never know who you'll get. Or in other words: Content that can be cleared by pugs must be suited for that 12 year old guy somewhere in Brazil playing on a toaster with a crappy connection and only understanding spanish (bit overdramatic here, but I hope you get the point)
You really need to look at the bigger picture here and think this through: Requiring YOU to make the match making allowes the devs to assume that you'll have a decent group and they can adjust the content to that.
Due to the special nature of the content (save file resetting, huge time investment) this content isnt really like your normal dungeon where a wipe means you just have to try that group again and maybe lost 5 minutes. Think about what the GMs would have to deal with and how salty the community will get over this - people entering with a small aetherpool, doing their own thing, wiping the group, not communicating (sorry, I've been playing this game for 3 years now and all of those are VERY real issues), people kicking other people etc. etc.
The ultimate conclusion for the devs would be: "Pugs cant handle the content, it has to be made easier" - bäm, there goes the challenge for everyone!

You can lone wolf it - go on, go in solo!

Dont pretend there wont be an outcry as soon as they open it up and people are getting wiped by randoms on floor 120 and have to start over again. I firmly believe that to keep the difficulty of the content we need to keep it gated like it is atm. Anything else will just lead to nerfs sooner or later, seen it happen many times, cant we just have this for ONCE like it was intended by the devs?

[Renius]

*sigh*
Again? Really? You need this explanition again?

You obviously have a different view than mine or a lot of other people on this post. Fine. I will still say :
Please open floors 101-200 to queue!!

[Ilan]

The funny part of this is that there REALLY is NO reason to have it gated. You can choose what you want to do if you want to go it with fixed party that is YOUR choice. Don't try to dictate what I am doing based on what you want to do. No one is asking you to join a mixed party if YOU do not want to. You queue as you see fit. What is the big deal? I pay $$ and I want to have a choice that's called freedom of decision. Is there an amendment for that? How about “Freedom of Choice” is a fundamental right, grouped with a “Right to Privacy”. The Ninth Amendment alludes to it and the Fourteenth Amendment enforces it.

Ehm yeah. I want to see your cry for law if a party without a fitting composition will wipe you or if a troll will wipe you on 150+.

[Renius]

Ehm yeah. I want to see your cry for law if a party without a fitting composition will wipe you or if a troll will wipe you on 150+.

Once more! No one is asking YOU to go in with mixed. What is it that you don't understand. I will be happy with the wipe as it is part of what happens with pugs I am willing to take the chance. YOU don't have to if that is YOUR CHOICE!!