Naoki Yoshida's Comment in Regard to Jump Potions/Boost Potions

[Aviars]

As I said, I'm sure you have more egregious examples in mind, and you obliged by touching briefly upon them. And also as I said, they do not change the nature of the jump potion.

Pay to win, however, is not limited solely to "end game and pvp". Nor is it limited to merely "overpowered gear and abilities", as you acknowledge by your use of the word "usually". Attempting to limit it, when it is not so limited, is giving you blinders.

Nit picking my words? Nice man. I say 'usually' as in those are the easiest examples of Pay to win in the correct context. So nice try, but not successful for you.

Also pay to win isn't limited to end game? You seem to imply pay to win is something other than what involves the skill and talent of the player. Leveling and slogging through the MSQ isn't one of them.

And your comment only shows you have a rigid understanding of pay to win, and can't recognize when something's exploitative if it doesn't fall neatly within your personal definition.

The problem of MSQ gating remains, and jump potions do nothing to actually solve the real problem. They force new players to make up for SE's flawed design at their own expense, and any new player that doesn't purchase one will be punished for it, as this gives SE a reason to continue to ignore the issue and let it become worse over time.

How is it a punishment? If people want to play through the MSQ then they can feel free to do so. Doesn't sound like a punishment to me. I like how you use loaded words like 'punishment' to try and make a point that doesn't exist. Literal fear mongering. Nice man.

What would actually be punishing is if there was an advantage to buy gear with real money in order to clear end-game content. Now that would be punishing.

[SDaemon]

Are you asking the purpose of the jump potion?

No. I asked you if you could explain what advantage you believe they are gaining that qualifies this as pay to win in your mind. You said P2W was in them gaining an advantage. What is the advantage in this situation? Gear? Gil? The non-jumper can purchase with gil better level 50 gear than what the jumper is going to get. The non-jumper is going to gear through leveling through the MSQ and obtain more gil than what the jumper is going to get with their 1 300k non-trade-able item. The jumper however voids all their MSQs and, if they level boosted, their job quests. The jumper is literally gutting their available content to simply save time, while the non jumper loses out on nothing.

[Nestama]

Edit: I'll grant it could be a typo. But assuming it's not, it's 130.

Probably a typo, unless they plan on replacing the Ironworks gear with the upgraded Augmented Ironworks gear.

[Yokosho]

I need this for my main character and all my 17 other alts to get them all to level 60 on my other classes and on my alts and to get my alts to stormblood content

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Also pay to win isn't limited to end game? You seem to imply pay to win is something other than what involves the skill and talent of the player. Leveling and slogging through the MSQ isn't one of them.

I wonder how many calling it not Pay to Win, today, would have called it Pay to Win, if the Jump potion (completes 2.55, and gets you i120 or i13 gear) had come out before Heavensward?

Moving the goalposts (IE - changing where "endgame" is) does not change it from "Pay to Win", to "not Pay to Win anymore". THAT is where your error in assuming PTW is only in endgame or pvp lies.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

No. I asked you if you could explain what advantage you believe they are gaining that qualifies this as pay to win in your mind. You said P2W was in them gaining an advantage. What is the advantage in this situation? Gear? Gil? The non-jumper can purchase with gil better level 50 gear than what the jumper is going to get. The non-jumper is going to gear through leveling through the MSQ and obtain more gil than what the jumper is going to get with their 1 300k non-trade-able item. The jumper however voids all their MSQs and, if they level boosted, their job quests. The jumper is literally gutting their available content to simply save time, while the non jumper loses out on nothing.

And you answered your own question. And yes, you were asking the purpose of the Jump Potion. If there was no advantage in getting it, then this whole discussion would never have taken place, because no one would be interested in it and SE would not be bothering to prepare us for selling it. Its purpose is the advantage that one would derive from it, after all.

[Gaimuth]

Why not just release a potion that clears the expansion the day it launches? Why even require people to run raids to get best in slot? Why even have levels, just make it so when you buy the expansion it bills you for a year and locks you out of the game. Potions like these reward the dumb and lazy and makes people who actually like playing feel useless.

Another thing is that there is not going to be enough content for new players who only want to play the "newest content". They are going to play the game for a few days and clear the expansion content and unsub within the month. Jump potions are a sign of a dying game that doesn't have rewarding content. Why even bother designing some content that can be done years later when you can just design awful content you expect people to pay you not to play? This is bad game design and I will unsub if a jump potion is ever implemented here in North America.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

I wonder how many calling it not Pay to Win, today, would have called it Pay to Win, if the Jump potion (completes 2.55, and gets you i120 or i13 gear) had come out before Heavensward?

Moving the goalposts (IE - changing where "endgame" is) does not change it from "Pay to Win", to "not Pay to Win anymore". THAT is where your error in assuming PTW is only in endgame or pvp lies.

Changing the scenario changes the outcome. Not everything is as cut and dry as you would like to think.

[Aviars]

I wonder how many calling it not Pay to Win, today, would have called it Pay to Win, if the Jump potion (completes 2.55, and gets you i120 or i13 gear) had come out before Heavensward?

Moving the goalposts (IE - changing where "endgame" is) does not change it from "Pay to Win", to "not Pay to Win anymore". THAT is where your error in assuming PTW is only in endgame or pvp lies.

What a entirely useless comment to say. SE has already said that they only intend to have lvl 50 boosts for the current expansion, and then extend that to lvl 60 once the expansion comes out. In simpler terms, they only plan to release potions for the cap of the previous lvl cap not the current.

So I guess now you are going to base your argument on how it might've been hmm? Wow, the grasping at straws is getting more desperate for you.

[SDaemon]

And yes, you were asking the purpose of the Jump Potion.

You asked if I was asking its purpose, but you were already affirmed in your belief that I was it seems, however incorrect you are. I will restate that no, I was asking how you determine that this is pay to win. Please don't deflect the true question and kindly answer.