Naoki Yoshida's Comment in Regard to Jump Potions/Boost Potions

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

As someone else pointed out as an example, if two people buy the game on the same day, and one buys the jump and the other does not .. then the person that bought it has already won all the content that the person that did not has to play through.

How is that NOT Pay To win? The person that bought it gets the stronger gear, higher levels, etc. that the other person does not.

You and I are not relevant to this example. But, lets compare that person to you.

They are spending RL money on a game for an in-game power increase. You did not. Does it really matter if that power increase did not quite bring them to your level?

Nope, because THEY ARE STILL PAYING.

Out of curiosity, do you consider people buying content runs in game p2w? They are paying to get carried through content. This has been going on since 2.0. And likely, they had to buy the gil to do so.

[AlphaFox]

Are they able to get it all without paying? If so then that does not really qualify in my books. If I can unlock a new character in a game by beating it on Hard mode or pay $5 in the store, not really pay to win either in my books. However, are they able to pay for armor or gear that is better than what we can get and its ONLY able to be gained through the store? Then yes, Pay to win. As it stands a simple skip to 3.0/4.0 isn't as bad as everyone is trying to make it out to be.

[DrStiles]

Out of curiosity, do you consider people buying content runs in game p2w? They are paying to get carried through content. This has been going on since 2.0. And likely, they had to buy the gil to do so.

I certainly do.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

They get a very basic set of gear to help them progress through the new content. i120 gear is NOT i270 gear. There is a very vast gap in quality of equipment there, and you can only get i270 gear at the current gear cap, which they still have to actually pay through heavensward to even get too. And like I said, its only to speed up the process to get to the end. They are only making it to the end faster than ther person not buying a potion, and in the end, they are both going to the same place, so why does it matter who gets there first?

If 1 person speed levels from 1-60 in 2 days, and 1 person levels from 1-60 in 2 months, they both end up at the same place, so why does it matter who got there first. person 1 may have bought a jump potion to skip from 1-50, but again, thats all they are getting. They aren't winning anything except for a race, that doesn't even matter...

Irrelevant. That i120 gear is better than the starting gear, is it not?

Pay to win. Not to beat you, but to beat the person who also just started. Cite the whole example or not at all, because context matters.

The "race" as you put it does not matter. You are correct about that. Relevancy of what the buyer is winning does not change the Pay to Win nature of the jump potion.

[Nestama]

Irrelevant. That i120 gear is better than the starting gear, is it not?

Pay to win. Not to beat you, but to beat the person who also just started. Cite the whole example or not at all, because context matters.

You do know that Silver Chocobo feathers are given to newbies who have been referred to this game by a friend (who get gold feathers), right? Does that count as pay to win, too?

[Maero]

I personally prefer having a game kept alive by "lazy" new players, than a dying game because nobody wants to join.

As others have pointed out having potions does not fix the issue at hand. They should perhaps boost exp from running content that we have already done, allowing players just to skip a majority of content just to be caught up to those of us playing for 3 or more years is NOT a solution.
And the game is not dead,when major patches hit or expansion, players return.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Are they able to get it all without paying? If so then that does not really qualify in my books. If I can unlock a new character in a game by beating it on Hard mode or pay $5 in the store, not really pay to win either in my books. However, are they able to pay for armor or gear that is better than what we can get and its ONLY able to be gained through the store? Then yes, Pay to win. As it stands a simple skip to 3.0/4.0 isn't as bad as everyone is trying to make it out to be.

Most Pay to Win games make it the better option to spend the cash to unlock it rather than spend the time logged in the game. IE - accrue some game token at the rate of 3 per day. Spend 5 bucks on a pack of 15. Those tokens are used to hurry production (so you can use whatever to attack or defend sooner), or to heal your characters, or to go into dungeons, whatever. You don't pay, you are reduced to a mere crawl, compared to those who do pay and are able to rocket past you. That's Pay To Win.

Not unlike the jump potion, except you've already done the time to get past the point that they are rocketing to.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

snip.

They get a very basic set of gear to help them progress through the new content. i120 gear is NOT i270 gear. There is a very vast gap in quality of equipment there, and you can only get i270 gear at the current gear cap, which they still have to actually play through heavensward to even get too. And like I said, its only to speed up the process to get to the end. They are only making it to the end faster than ther person not buying a potion, and in the end, they are both going to the same place, so why does it matter who gets there first?

If 1 person speed levels from 1-60 in 2 days, and 1 person levels from 1-60 in 2 months, they both end up at the same place, so why does it matter who got there first. person 1 may have bought a jump potion to skip from 1-50, but again, thats all they are getting. They aren't winning anything except for a race, that doesn't even matter...

10 char limit...

[Roth_Trailfinder]

You do know that Silver Chocobo feathers are given to newbies who have been referred to this game by a friend (who get gold feathers), right? Does that count as pay to win, too?

Anyone buying those feathers for RL money?

Might be "something to win", but if people are not buying them (from, say, SE's store) its not PAY to win.

[Aviars]

Irrelevant. That i120 gear is better than the starting gear, is it not?

Pay to win. Not to beat you, but to beat the person who also just started. Cite the whole example or not at all, because context matters.

It's comments like this that make me think a majority of people whining about these potions have no idea what TRUE pay to win is. smh