A case of chronic gear imbalance

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Everything implemented in-game, except interaction with other players, is game content. This includes quests, dungeons, raids, trials, classes, jobs, levels (class/job + item levels), melds, glamours, dyes and character appearance, cutscenes, etc.

Nope. There is content, and there is the vehicle you use to experience said content.

Quests, dungeons, raids, trials, cut scenes ... these are content.

Classes/jobs, levels, glamours, melds+dyes+gear, these are all modifiers for the vehicle with which you experience said content. They are not content themselves.

If you run Sastasha with a Miqote Paladin, and then run it again with a Hyur Ninja, are you using multiple pieces of content to experience the dungeon content? No, you are using multiple vehicles to experience the content multiple times, in different ways. Gear is not content. Gear may be a driving reason to do content, but it is not content. How your character looks, what your character does within any piece of content, is not itself content. Vehicle and content are different. You use one to experience the other.

[Cordie]

Then you must've checked wrongly. I just checked by queueing for Amdapor HM with both undersized party and minimum iLvl options checked.
An ilvl 260 chest, synced down to i90, gave me 479hp. I then left the dungeon and queued up under the same conditions, except while wearing an i230 chest.

Guess what? I ended up with the same 479hp.

But like Spayd already said on page 9, there's no reason to keep this thread alive, due to the OP's close mindedness.

Not sure what happens in Amdapor HM, since it's just level synced at 50, with no ilvl sync.
I tried swapping i260 with i210 gloves while in Fractal continuum (it is ilvl-synced) and it didnt change the overall vit.

[Nezerius]

Even the relic (should have been the best item in-game, based on rarity alone) is an i260 instead of i270/275.

I assume you've never played the game during A Realm Reborn, so I'd like to point out that the finished 2.x relic was at the same ilvl as the dreadwyrm weapon (the highest raid weapon).
Of course, the previous steps were always 5-10 ilvls lower than the raid weapon, since the relic was (and currently still is) just a mindless grind.

Unfortunately not everyone is happy with raiding. And this is consistently not being addressed in any other way than the lazy approach you describe in your 1st point. It's not even being addressed at all.. simply ignored for half of the dev/design time.

Fortunately, the items to upgrade tomestone gear become available from non-savage raids after a while.
Still waiting on a good reason on why your current lack of i270 cripples your ability to run content in this game. Are you sad that a minor amount of people are doing slightly more dps than you, in your daily roulettes?

Not sure what happens in Amdapor HM, since it's just level synced at 50, with no ilvl sync.
I tried swapping i260 with i210 gloves while in Fractal continuum (it is ilvl-synced) and it didnt change the overall vit.

You missed the part where I said I had the minimum ilvl option checked. This syncs gear down to the minimum ilvl of the dungeon. In the case of Amdapor HM, that's ilvl 90. It's not just level synced. Besides, the fact that your VIT didn't change just proves my point, and disproves your earlier statement (which I'll quote for visibility).

Besides, even in ilvl-sync'd content (PvP modes) the additional VIT stat of i270 is invaluable to any non-tank class.

[Cordie]

Nope. There is content, and there is the vehicle you use to experience said content.
Quests, dungeons, raids, trials, cut scenes ... these are content.
Classes/jobs, levels, glamours, melds+dyes+gear, these are all modifiers for the vehicle with which you experience said content. They are not content themselves.[...]

You may want to restrict yourself to "playable" content -it's a matter of your personal preference, after all- but it is a pure subset of the game's content. Your character's race, appearance and equipment were all designed and implemented in code just like the dungeons, quests etc. They didnt grow by themselves on the servers and your hard drive. It is all game content.

[Cordie]

I assume you've never played the game during A Realm Reborn[...]

I wouldn't characterize the imbalance as a chronic one if I hadn't.
Relic is a lesser weapon than the raid one at release (yay! more of the same).

Fortunately, the items to upgrade tomestone gear become available from non-savage raids after a while.

You mentioned that before, so same answer: it's just an excuse, and a bad one too.

Still waiting on a good reason[...]

It prevents me from advancing my character's item level. Not sure about how my individual dps goes, as I have to get lucky in queuing with someone who can read it out to me. But I suppose more of it (and more HP too) helps in removing some strain from the whole party.

You missed the part where I said I had the minimum ilvl option checked.[...]

You missed my erratum altogether..

[Nezerius]

I wouldn't characterize the imbalance as a chronic one if I hadn't.
Relic is a lesser weapon than the raid one at release (yay! more of the same).

So you agree that the relic weapon has been as strong as the raid weapon, at one point.

You mentioned that before, so same answer: it's just an excuse, and a bad one too.

It's part of the reward for clearing content that isn't mindless.

It prevents me from advancing my character's item level. Not sure about how my individual dps goes, as I have to get lucky in queuing with someone who can read it out to me. But I suppose more of it (and more HP too) helps in removing some strain from the whole party.

You're only preventing yourself from progressing by not raiding, which is still a part of the game. Decide not to raid and accept that it takes a bit longer to get the same ilvl gear. As for removing some strain, just knowing how to play a job is enough for that.

You missed my erratum altogether..

The erratum that changed your point from synced iLvl to synced leve. Synced level still has synced iLvl to it, for example Keeper of the Lake will still sync your ilvl to the maximum possible in ARR (130 and 135 for the weapon).
But this point is moot, since all the PvP modes have synced iLvl anyway (Lvl 60 PvP syncs down to i150, lvl 50 PvP syncs down to i80).

[Nakanishi]

I wouldn't bother using logic or continously feeding Cordie facts. Cordie's stubborness knows no bounds.

[Cordie]

So you agree that the relic weapon has been as strong as the raid weapon, at one point.

Yes, sure, since its introduction. oh wait.

It's part of the reward for clearing content that isn't mindless.

24-man raids (aren't mindless)?

You're only preventing yourself [...]

Not everyone enjoys the MMOish gameplay parts of the game (like raids), as not everyone enjoys the RPG ones. However development effort, in patch after patch, both in ARR and this expansion has been tilted in favour of the former, leaving everything else at a "casual" approach level -this is what I'm pointing out in this thread: the grindy parts are heavily lacking both in requirements and rewards.

The erratum that changed your point from synced iLvl to synced level.

nope, the 1st thing I posted today, #107.

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Went for Fractal b/c it clearly states "Item Level Sync".

[Cordie]

I wouldn't bother using logic or continously feeding Cordie facts. Cordie's stubborness knows no bounds.

I'm not asking for anything irrational: just add an i270 path in the grindy part of the game, and do so at release time. If anything, it will take much less effort on design and dev side than the savage raids.

[Nezerius]

Yes, sure, since its introduction. oh wait.

Moving goalposts.

24-man raids (aren't mindless)?

24-man raids don't get added during even-numbered patches. They're added during odd-numbered patches to help players catch up on gear.

Not everyone enjoys the MMOish gameplay

Then MMOs aren't really for them, stick to singleplayer RPGs.

nope, the 1st thing I posted today, #107. Went for Fractal b/c it clearly states "Item Level Sync".

VIT stays the same when synced down, regardless of the ilvl of the original point. Your point got destroyed already, so I'm not gonna bother arguing any further about it.
In fact, I'm just going to stop posting completely, and advise others to the same.