Have we moved to an age where taking hate as a dps = bad dps instead of bad tank?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Nah. Good tanks can hold aggro just fine in dps stance, so enmity isn't a reason to stay in tank stance outside of the opener.

[SeriousxSarcasm]

Nah. Good tanks can hold aggro just fine in dps stance, so enmity isn't a reason to stay in tank stance outside of the opener.

I would argue that great tanks can hold aggro in DPS stance on single targets (I have yet to meet a single one, but I am aware they exist somewhere out in the wild). A good tank accepts when they cannot do this (or when there is simply too many targets to generate hate on when you've got an AOE dps with you), and concede to use their tank stance if they are going to lose aggro without it.

[Mirch]

I would argue that great tanks can hold aggro in DPS stance on single targets (I have yet to meet a single one, but I am aware they exist somewhere out in the wild). A good tank accepts when they cannot do this (or when there is simply too many targets to generate hate on when you've got an AOE dps with you), and concede to use their tank stance if they are going to lose aggro without it.

Tanks can hold aggro on single and multitargets even without tank stance.
Dark Knights! I summon you!!

[SeriousxSarcasm]

Tanks can hold aggro on single and multitargets even without tank stance.
Dark Knights! I summon you!!

LOL, fair enough. ;p I only ever get newbie DRKs, but I know someone in my old FC that mains it and does ok. My point still stands though. Highly skilled tanks are alright at generating aggro outside of tank stance, your average tank (or even a slightly under-geared one) is not. That doesn't mean they're bad tanks, just means they're not aspiring for end-game levels of skill lol.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I would argue that great tanks can hold aggro in DPS stance on single targets (I have yet to meet a single one, but I am aware they exist somewhere out in the wild). A good tank accepts when they cannot do this (or when there is simply too many targets to generate hate on when you've got an AOE dps with you), and concede to use their tank stance if they are going to lose aggro without it.

DRK can fairly easily hold hate in AoE situations, technically, due to the way Abyssal Drain works, especially if they have BP up. Warrior's can too actually with OP spam, it's a common speed pull tactic for a Warrior to Bloodbath, Berserk, IR, and Vengeance in Deliverance for some tight AoE damage and threat gen thanks to vengeance ticks.

[SeriousxSarcasm]

DRK can fairly easily hold hate in AoE situations, technically, due to the way Abyssal Drain works, especially if they have BP up. Warrior's can too actually with OP spam, it's a common speed pull tactic for a Warrior to Bloodbath, Berserk, IR, and Vengeance in Deliverance for some tight AoE damage and threat gen thanks to vengeance ticks.

Yeah... but "can" rarely translates into "does," you know what I'm saying? XD I'm not questioning tank DPS/threat abilities (I've seen my sis sit at the top of a parse someone posted after EX primals), I'm just saying that less skilled/geared tanks shouldn't expect DPS to sit on their hands so they can pretend to be a badass without their tank-stance. Also you didn't mention PLD's Circle of Scorn, which has decent AOE as well. :3

[SeriousxSarcasm]

Of course, I can be a little troll about it. If a tank keeps losing enmity to me and/or healer in a dungeon, I can just summon titan-egi and smirk to myself when tank has to put on tank-stance to fight titan for aggro. I've had a few healers just switch to propping up titan. XD