The New Chat Restriction in The Feast

[Kaitoo]

Well, if people could just remain civil and act like mature adults, SE wouldn't even have considered something like chat restriction in the first place. They did that because far too many people for their liking could not and they felt the amount of effort required to police these people disproportionate.

The effort of you disabling your own pvp chat is too big? And the mature thing here is to disable it for all people, even if they dont want it?

all righty then

Pot meet kettle.

are you not the one who was talking about wine? go do that pls, you have no business in grown up stuff

[Lunaxia]

are you not the one who was talking about wine? go do that pls, you have no business in grown up stuff

The irony in someone arguing against this decision being the perfect example of why it should be implemented.

[Kaitoo]

The irony in someone arguing against this decision being the perfect example of why it should be implemented.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...77#post3935277

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe you should working on your ability to understand context before switching to figure of speechs you dont recognize

[Zojha]

And the mature thing here is to disable it for all people, even if they dont want it?

No, the mature thing is to not rage in the first place, but rather take a step back, a deep breath and a break when you get angry. Which you should probably do right now because you are not being particularly mature.

Disabling chat is just the easy way out, that has nothing to do with maturity and all to do with cost/time efficiency.

[Kaitoo]

No, the mature thing is to not rage in the first place, but rather take a step back, a deep breath and a break when you get angry. Which you should probably do right now because you are not being particularly mature.

Disabling chat is just the easy way out, that has nothing to do with maturity and all to do with cost/time efficiency.

You are saying that its better that SE disables all chat in pvp rather people who are even cant be bothered to report it ?

Are we gonna disable chat in duty finder now too? go in the duty finder thread, plenty of people are more raging then in pvp

i dont need to take a step back, its just plain wrong

[Zojha]

i dont need to take a step back, its just plain wrong

Oh, it definitely is wrong. But you're still reacting immaturely and pulling strawman after strawman to make a point that hasn't even been questioned by the person you are addressing with them.

What would be "right" is to chat restrict the accounts of those who have been found guilty of abuse to prevent further damage and remove them from the ladder for the rest of the season as lesson for the future and deterrence. SE just doesn't do that because it would require hand checking every case.

[Kaitoo]

Oh, it definitely is wrong. But you're still reacting immaturely and pulling strawman after strawman to make a point that hasn't even been questioned by the person you are addressing with them.

What would be "right" is to chat restrict the accounts of those who have been found guilty of abuse to prevent further damage and remove them from the ladder for the rest of the season as lesson for the future and deterrence.

there is new strawman, its, again, a simple fact that that kind of behaivor exist in pve too but its not punished like that way.


Also how does it add up that pvp is very niche in this game but they cant cope with the reports?

[Zojha]

there is new strawman, its, again, a simple fact that that kind of behaivor exist in pve too but its not punished like that way.

Yes, it is a strawman. You are, AGAIN, making an argument against a claim that has not been made. This behaviour is not punished this way in PvE because it is very, very rare in PvE. That should be obvious - the cases are few and far between, so there's no point in taking drastic measures against it. For the very same reason, frontlines does not get a chat restriction - the toxicity isn't as bad there, so SE does not restrict chat there. It hasn't been as bad in Wolves Den either, or they would have attempted to implement that feature earlier. It's NOT PvP as such. It's only the Feast and I bet with that they mean RANKED feast. Ranked is the source of the surge in toxicity that made them consider this option, there is no way around that. And that is precisely why removing people's rating would be a very efficient punishment for abuse.

You also mistake "being unable to cope" with "inefficient". When PvE has 1% toxicity and ranked 70% (Numbers arbitrary to get the point across), it's far easier to just disable chat in ranked, because handling the cases is a disproportionate amount of effort.

[Kaitoo]

Yes, it is a strawman. You are, AGAIN, making an argument against a claim

You also mistake "being unable to cope" with "inefficient". When PvE has 1% toxicity and ranked 70% (Numbers arbitrary to get the point across), it's far easier to just disable chat in ranked, because handling the cases is a disproportionate amount of effort.

aha...ok

carry on then

[Gumbercules]

You are saying that its better that SE disables all chat in pvp rather people who are even cant be bothered to report it ?

Are we gonna disable chat in duty finder now too? go in the duty finder thread, plenty of people are more raging then in pvp

i dont need to take a step back, its just plain wrong

If SE went though chat logs for party finder and found the norm to be toxicity over cooperation, they prolly would implement this there too :P Honestly im hoping we get a dev response about this cuz I am curious just how bad it was that they went over chatlogs and decided this was the way to go.