The one thing I really want for Paladins

[Lyth]

I think one of the problems that we keep running into is that you can't balance support functions (i.e. mitigation, utility, healing) against dps. One of the reasons why developers tend to be very cautious with mitigation is because it can very easily get out of control without being carefully held in check. In this game, for example, there are many mechanics which are triggered by the player taking damage (i.e. debuffs, knockbacks, etc.) If you manage to completely negate the damage, then it effect doesn't occur. This allows you to bypass mechanics which you were originally intended to deal with.

In order to prevent you from reaching 100% mitigation, many of the buffs/debuffs use multiplicative stacking, so you get diminishing returns for each additional buff/debuff. There are ways around this, however. Hallowed Ground completely negates damage on its own. Flat damage shields, such as PLD's DV and healer shields, also allow you to completely negate damage. As long the devs continue to design mechanics which require damage in order to trigger, these types of moves run the risk of allowing players to exploit weaknesses in fight design. I see this as problematic as it is, and am grateful that what little checks and balances we have do exist. Buffing DV's shield strength is an extremely bad idea, especially when it uses flat DR instead of %DR, unlike the other two tanks' raid mitigation tools.

It's easy to point to the dps discrepancy on fights in which you can find workarounds for not having access to the extra utility. But if you can't find a workaround, then you make that one tank mandatory because they're the only one able to cheese the encounter. PLD's kit may be bloated with "situational" utility skills, but if you keep piling them on, you will surely find a way to break job balance. (PvP is a fairly good example of how PLD's "situational" kit can come together to become incredibly powerful, in the right circumstances. DRK is relatively rare in that environment due to a comparative lack of utility.)

This is the reason why we're seeing recurring issues with tank and healer balance. Balance dps against dps, and utility against utility.

[Jandor]

The one thing I really want for Paladins

Sexier armor options? *tips Gallant Coronet*

[rawker]

just give PLD's give holy and call it a day /sarcasm

And yeah, we really need some sort of AoE something short of Circle of Scorn

Be careful what you wish for. They got Clemency. It's still a cure but with a hefty mp cost. Who knows? They might give PLDs Holy but consumes all of their mp, ala Flare.

[Cabalabob]

Be careful what you wish for. They got Clemency. It's still a cure but with a hefty mp cost. Who knows? They might give PLDs Holy but consumes all of their mp, ala Flare.

Banish, banish II, Banish III!

Banish = unmend, banish II = unleash, banish III = abyssal drain (without the dark arts effect). Would give PLD some MP based dps tools and an AoE damage move.

[Khalithar]

Who knows? They might give PLDs Holy but consumes all of their mp, ala Flare.

It's funny you mention that, I kicked around the idea of Flash getting buffed at higher levels in to that light AoE spell that the first boss of Vault casts along with the other sword/shield paladin in the singularity reactor. The NPC do the paladin casting animation and an explosion of light for aoe damage, I think the spell is called "Holiest of Holy" or something like that. I'm curious to know what it's called in Japanese!

[Fernosaur]

If PLD got a version of Holiest of Holy I'd cream my undies tbh

[Arrius]

Tempered Will needs to be replaced, or be made more useful outside a very, VERY few situations where you can resist the knockback, because the ones the bosses use are close to 100% not resistable.

[Claire_Pendragon]

I do feel that all tanks need to have a some sort of gap closer. DRK can cheese Scrapline during Faust add in A9S because of Plunge, WAR/PLD can't get that kind of result, making DRK really good once you get the hang of it. Another few uses for Plunge in current Savage are -- solo tanking Laser X Sword in A11S

The 1st is a good example, but the 2nd is incorrect, as Holmgang and Tempered Will work better for X Laser Sword than Plunge.
Even with a well timed plunge right as the cast ends, nearly 2 out of 3 times, you dont even see the pushback effect, instead you just fall straight down through the floor. (And on a rare occasion where you do see the animation, you fall through the floor backwards, at an angle, and when your character's plunge tries to return they hti the underside of the floor, unable to go upward, and go back to falling downward.)
Where my PLD and WAR OT will just stay still and keep going.

Cant say on stasis, as Im not sure what u mean, as no one can move during it.

[Sarcatica]

The 1st is a good example, but the 2nd is incorrect, as Holmgang and Tempered Will work better for X Laser Sword than Plunge.
Even with a well timed plunge right as the cast ends, nearly 2 out of 3 times, you dont even see the pushback effect, instead you just fall straight down through the floor. (And on a rare occasion where you do see the animation, you fall through the floor backwards, at an angle, and when your character's plunge tries to return they hti the underside of the floor, unable to go upward, and go back to falling downward.)
Where my PLD and WAR OT will just stay still and keep going.

Cant say on stasis, as Im not sure what u mean, as no one can move during it.

You can still use LD when the wall is up. Once you reach last phase where wall is out, LD shouldn't be used. Admittedly Holmgang is just better here since WAR can still hit, comparing to LD where you need to time Plunge for the knockback.

[Lambdafish]

Tempered Will needs to be replaced, or be made more useful outside a very, VERY few situations where you can resist the knockback, because the ones the bosses use are close to 100% not resistable.

Tempered will is one of the more interesting skill in PLDs arsenal. It needs to be made more useful its current form rather than be replaced.