Info about the Chinese Cash Shop "Level Jumping Potions"

[Mugiawara]

Hold on, can brand NEW players use this if they want?

"people will get to max level with no idea how to play!"
have you been in dutyfinder lately? no one knows how to play!

People use this argument time and time again and this can't possibly be as bad as people think.
I must be damn lucky because playing since Beta phases in 2.0 I've rarely had BAD players.
This game is so easy, I do stuff in RF/DF all the time as I'm pretty 'solo' player.
If anything, you all should blame FATE's and MAYBE POTD because all you need to do is
mindlessly spam crap and play follow the leader 1-10 levels reset over and over while watching Netflix all day.
Game pretty much caters to going Zombie mode.

Also, since SE is too lazy to cut MSQ in half, they outta start then. Also also, you want people to instant level
while skipping a lot of dungeons and stuff, you needa start cutting down a lot of low level stuff then.
No point in trying to shove old content down our throats if people will all be end-game lol.
Needs to be cut, thrown away or added in higher level's. Getting a little tired of running 3 year old dungeons tbh...

[Keikun]

This doesnt affect any of you BUT still complain like the spoiled kids you all are "I worked too hard for this, they need to work as hard as I did".

[Theodric]

This doesnt affect any of you BUT still complain like the spoiled kids you all are "I worked too hard for this, they need to work as hard as I did".

It affects many people - for the reasons they've stated. It's not really your business to decide what does and does not effect somebody else's enjoyment of the game or their experience. If you want to argue in favour of the potion in question then do so - there's little need to be snide or try to brush off opposing opinions as irrelevant when it's crystal clear that it's a divisive issue.

[ErdrickLoto]

A disadantage to the jumping potion nobody seems to have noticed yet (unless it was in the 5 pages or so i skipped). Since we got effecively rid of tell RMT spam by imposing a min lvl to your char. The only places you get "/say" spam is in the 3 starting cities its so bad there i turn off the 'say' channel when in those cities. Now imagine the advertising bots being able to use their "/say" spam in every region, and again use "/tell" spam since they would be the same level as every other character. Please god NO.

But you have to pay for the potion.

Unless they really think that they'll be able to get to a new, untapped (and willing to pay, natch) marketplace by buying the jump potion, I don't think they're going to do that.

[BunnyChain]

My concern with this thing is that it might bring a lot of new impatient players. Those that leave a dungeon before it starts or when they see a new player message or start to berate a newbie as soon as they make their first mistake. While it has been a while and things might have changed, it required quite a bit of patience to get through the story and the early, as many describe it, slow paced combat. Which in return turned at least few people away from the game and that might be not a bad thing. Why is patience even of importance? Well, because the community is being described as 'generally nice' and a significant part of that is people are patient, especially with newcomers. What functions now as some sort of filter will be bypassable.

[Xiao_]

If anything, you all should blame FATE's and MAYBE POTD because all you need to do is
mindlessly spam crap and play follow the leader 1-10 levels reset over and over while watching Netflix all day.
Game pretty much caters to going Zombie mode.

this is exactly my point though, that one argument against it is meaningless because we already having people get to 60 with no idea how to play their class, due to braindead leveling. honestly i think ESPECIALLY potd is to blame because it gives people the idea that they're playing well, besides the fact that all the mobs and even bosses are super easy compared to even just dungeons

[Theodric]

this is exactly my point though, that one argument against it is meaningless because we already having people get to 60 with no idea how to play their class, due to braindead leveling. honestly i think ESPECIALLY potd is to blame because it gives people the idea that they're playing well, besides the fact that all the mobs and even bosses are super easy compared to even just dungeons

It's not pointless. Those players have to do put time and effort into getting where they are. Surely they're learning something in the process. The duty finder is a mixed bag, sure, but why add to the problem of dubious players by encouraging even more players not to invest in the game itself but the fabled 'end game' which they may not even be able to invest in anyway?

[Genaxx]

But you have to pay for the potion.

Unless they really think that they'll be able to get to a new, untapped (and willing to pay, natch) marketplace by buying the jump potion, I don't think they're going to do that.

Umm they use stolen credit cards or their own cash to pay account subs so a potion is hardly going to break the bank.

And if these potions can be gifted there will be a likely rise in RMT trying to sell them cheaper.

[Chessala]

I don't really care if people know the story, that won't affect me when I run a random dungeon with them. However, if e.g. Mr. Paladin doesn't even know his attack buttons and what stance to use, THAT affects me majorly.

If this potion comes to us, I will seriously consider quitting. Not because I am "jealous" that people get what I worked for by paying, but because an already rotten DF with horrible players will get nothing but unbearable. Think of people that bought an account and their lack of knowledge.


Also, it's pretty clear that some people here close their eyes towards what P2W (Pay to Win for those that don't know) entails. Our current cash shop is not P2W. Why? Because by buying a glamour or a dye, you do not gain any progression in the game. Mounts all have the same speed so they are not P2W either. P2W is ANYTHING that helps your progress faster in the game. That also includes levels. Not to mention that the chinese packages also include other stuff like gil and the feathers. It's so P2W it is screaming in your face. All F2P games are P2W to a certain extend, that is how they survive. However, FFXIV is a SUBSCRIPTION game. Subscription games in my opinion should have some advantages:

- Certainty that with a decent amount of subs, there will be regular content of high quality
- All PROGRESSION content is exclusively available in-game
- F2P retards are kept out because of the monthly fee. This should mean the community is more mature, alas it isn't always true
- All content is available to everyone on an equal basis (minus seasonal events)

FFXIV already wavers on some of these points (content quality, maturity of the community, some shop-exclusive items) but right now, in my opinion, it's minor. It's not SEs fault the community is pretty much rotten and I don't care about some ugly mounts and seasonal items being available in the shop.

Fortunately, after also having checked the Japanese Forum, I am confident that this potion will not be available. It would be crossing a line this game will not recover from and the next step would most certainly be going F2P.

[Pheryx]

From a dev standpoint i would be annoyed by a jump potion, only because the devs work hard on story stuff. If i worked on this game i would be irked that my hard work would just go ignored. But that's just me.

From a business standpoint though, imagine all that sweet sweet money.

And from a player outlook, I wonder how people who use it are going to gear up if they are a newbie. I mean we can complain about bad players and all but will this potion come with gil and how much will it cost?