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  1. #121
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    Astyrah's Avatar
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    Astyrah Varis
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    Masamune
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon_Sanders View Post
    For a long term (until today, I'm afraid), new players as potion takers are unwelcomed among the Chinese. You can imagine the reason--they immediately reach lv50, do not understand the MSQ, do not know most skills and mechanics, some even do not know what to do after lv50.
    Despite the ones who learn quickly, complaints about potion takers in team play are just like "can they read a little guide before joining us" "can they at least put on proper gears""can they buy something useful with the gils"...Both sides are unhappy with this: potion takers feel hard to continue the game, others feel hard to teach the potion takers.
    However the Chinese agent don't care----you buy the potion, they get your money, their mission ends; leaving the potion takers and the angry old players quarreling themselves. Many people bought the game because of the potion, and left soon for the same reason.
    Maybe you feel jealous about not having it, but in most occasions it is nothing more than toxic.
    +1. this is what i feel would happen if we get those jump potions. the impatient people who "jumped" would have 0 clue about what goes on in the end game or how to play their character properly and in doing so they would most likely to not get invited (or kicked from) into PF's and statics and are as likely to quit playing the game (due to this) same as those who feel overwhelmed by the amount of quests they have to do from ARR if they didn't "jump".

    the patient ones who do use it would likely spend the time to learn but would end up getting bored faster since there's not much left to do (currently prior to 4.0 majority of the game's content is the journey, not the destination)
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    Last edited by Astyrah; 11-16-2016 at 08:41 AM. Reason: 1k

  2. #122
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    bass9020's Avatar
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    Versatile Bottom
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    Faerie
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    Summoner Lv 90
    This fits perfectly with the new additional actions system. Why do you think that is also changing? Now people skip to lvl 60 and possibly story and just get all additional skills without leveling other classes. They are taking the essence of this game little by little. Now its like every other game 1 job for 1 character YAY!!!!
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  3. #123
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    Squires Ailith
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    Siren
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    Pugilist Lv 90
    I guess I don't really care about leveling potions. If someone wants to skip, let them, it don't impact me. People complain they won't know how to play their job. That already happens. In 2.0 people FATe grind to level cape. There is no rotations in fates. Just spam AOE as fast you can. Rotations at 40 are different than they are at 60, they just have to relearn anyway.
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  4. #124
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    Dragon_Sanders's Avatar
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    Dthe Thunder
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    Siren
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Astyrah View Post
    the impatient people who "jumped" would have 0 clue about what goes on in the end game or how to play their character properly and in doing so they would most likely to not get invited (or kicked from) into PF's and statics and are as likely to quit playing the game (due to this) same as those who feel overwhelmed by the amount of quests they have to do from ARR if they didn't "jump"...
    Yes, the "impatient" issue is quite serious. Some Chinese complain that even they have enough patience to teach and help, they hardly get a patient learner. Some taught hard, offered everything they can give, finally got a message saying their saplings were AFK.
    We can tell ourselves not all the potion takers are impatient, but how well can the situation be, if they even do not bother to finish lv1-50? I find people would abandon their gain much faster if they get it by money, rather than by long-term effort.
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  5. #125
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    Dustytome's Avatar
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    Fox Briarthorn
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    Sargatanas
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    Culinarian Lv 100
    So it's about $13 for someone to generate 300,000 gil out of thin air? That's probably about what you get from the msq up to that point, but it seems a bit odd to let them print gil like that on the fly. Some supplies (teleport tickets, potions) along with the feathers they already get for gear sounds more reasonable.
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  6. #126
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    Felis's Avatar
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustytome View Post
    So it's about $13 for someone to generate 300,000 gil out of thin air? That's probably about what you get from the msq up to that point, but it seems a bit odd to let them print gil like that on the fly. Some supplies (teleport tickets, potions) along with the feathers they already get for gear sounds more reasonable.
    The potion will only give you exp, no gil. I hope.
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  7. #127
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    Jandor's Avatar
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    Tal Young
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    Cerberus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Well, they can go back and edit the rather good but sometimes poorly paced story-line so that a week or two of fairly casual play gets you caught up to the latest expansion, or charge extra money to skip it.

    What do you think they're going to go with?
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  8. #128
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    Caitlinzulu's Avatar
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    Caitlin Seraphim
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    Shiva
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    Archer Lv 100
    A disadantage to the jumping potion nobody seems to have noticed yet (unless it was in the 5 pages or so i skipped). Since we got effecively rid of tell RMT spam by imposing a min lvl to your char. The only places you get "/say" spam is in the 3 starting cities its so bad there i turn off the 'say' channel when in those cities. Now imagine the advertising bots being able to use their "/say" spam in every region, and again use "/tell" spam since they would be the same level as every other character. Please god NO.
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  9. #129
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    Celie Lothaire
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    Maduin
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    Well, they can go back and edit the rather good but sometimes poorly paced story-line so that a week or two of fairly casual play gets you caught up to the latest expansion, or charge extra money to skip it.

    What do you think they're going to go with?
    And then have to do it again with the next one.

    And the next one.

    Changing the previous story stuff (in ways that make it still work, since they are clearly committed to tell a cohesive story) would be a lot more work than I think people realize - rewriting in multiple languages, testing all the triggers to make sure those work, deciding how to handle anyone who happens to be in the middle on a part they want to cut. Imagine having to reevaluate that every few years for the entire breadth of the game's story...with the risk of pissing off those who like the story as it is. That would pull resources (time at the very least, if not money) from content being added...

    It's not just about choosing the profit generating option.
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    Last edited by Berethos; 11-16-2016 at 10:43 AM.

  10. #130
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    Lunafreya's Avatar
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    Ellia Lombardia
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    Lamia
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by JCharms View Post
    There's no chance at all of them allowing anyone to skip paying for HW via this method.
    I don't know how or why you would even assume this?
    Did you not read the OP? It autocompletes the scenario.
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