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    Zuzu Belloq
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garotte14 View Post
    I'm sorry, but you are incorrect.
    In no way is Fire IV better on 3+ targets. The only exception would be if, mechanically you needed to burn down a specific mob first/quickly to prevent it from casting something.
    Considering your MP let you cast a different amount of those spells on the Single and AoE rotations. You only did half of the calcs.
    From full MP the AoE rotation (that has an extra Fire II) is slightly better than Single only if finishing on Flare and having Enochian up. Since the targets will probably not die with just that, over time its better that you just do repetitive Single Target rotations because that one will always start from full MP, thus by the end of the next rotation, your PPS will be higher (considering none of the targets had died). While if you go on AoE, to prepare for the next rotation you'll either cast a filler spell at Ice that will already lower your PPS so you can get full MP on Umbral Ice I or Blizzard III from a Convert.

    Lets go into numbers:
    Single = 4FIV + F = 841.6
    AoE from full MP = 9FII + 3Flare = 855.9
    AoE with 2FII = 6FII + 3 Flare = 795.9

    So by the numbers provided by this thread: in three targets the best would be AoE rotation with Enochian, Convert and Blizzard III for full mana. So yes, there are ways Fire IV is better in three targets. I never put so much tought on PPS for the AoE rotation, so if something is off please tell me so, I'd love to use something better than I use at the moment. But I think this has been discussed a lot in the past of this thread. I just became a poster but recently.
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    Alayna Lazriel
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    Quote Originally Posted by zuzu-bq View Post
    Lets go into numbers:
    Single = 4FIV + F = 841.6
    AoE from full MP = 9FII + 3Flare = 855.9
    AoE with 2FII = 6FII + 3 Flare = 795.9


    First, I have a question, and that is what are those numbers? Is that total potency? If so, that means nothing. PPS is what counts. So you'll have to clarify what you mean by that.

    Second, you're thinking on the right track, but you are not taking quite a few things into consideration. I will try my best to explain but its a lot of numbers and math so I will try to not muddle it up too much:

    So lets say there are exactly 3 targets, and we'll assume they are alive for the entire duration. Using the baseline GCD, it will take 65.25 seconds to do an entire Enochian rotation, ending with Blizzard IV. No buffs, no Ley lines, etc. In that single target rotation, you have to take into account your Blizzard III time and potency, Blizzard IV time and potency, and unless you get an extremely fast server tick after Blizzard III, you'd need a filler or you won't have full MP. But I'll actually go ahead and omit that because it still doesn't help that argument. You also need to account an additional half a second for casting Enochian. I've done the math and you can double check if you'd like but here are the numbers.

    ST rotation - 65.25s / 9375.00 total potency = 143.68 PPS

    Now here is where things get a little tricky. Transpose + server tick is the X Factor. For the sake of argument, I'll go ahead and say that after you Transpose you end up having to wait the entire 3 seconds for a server tick (which is rare). Doing the standard AoE rotation during the same time, I would have done 9xF2s, 4xF3s, and 4xFlares. Now I'm calculating the full 3 seconds after transpose into this time and it looks like this:

    AoE rotation - 66.00s / 10874.40 total potency = 164.76 PPS

    If after transpose the wait is only 2 seconds, that jumps up to 172 PPS. Compared to 143 PPS on the ST rotation, that's extremely significant. Also keep in mind, I'm giving the ST the benefit of the doubt and getting a fast server tick after all 3 Blizz 4s and not needing a filler. With fillers, that PPS drops to around 140 PPS.
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    Last edited by Garotte14; 11-04-2016 at 11:40 AM.

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