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  1. #11
    Player Februs's Avatar
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    Februs Harrow
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    Diabolos
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by TiramisuMacaron View Post
    Being a self-loathing millennial myself, I blame millennials for this issue. 33% to get Gold? Come on SE.
    Seriously? lol

    In any case, I'm not sure this was avoidable after last season. High-tier players simply dropping Feast wholesale to protect their rank meant that SE was bound to do something about point distribution. Reducing the consequence for a loss isn't all that surprising. Honestly, I wouldn't even necessarily say it's a bad decision ... assuming the matchmaking actually worked, or if they'd been a little more specific about the circumstances.

    The thing is, getting into silver with a 25% win rate (lol) is one thing, but keeping that rank is another. The same can be said for gold. If the matchmaking was restricted to adjacent tiers only, then there would still be room for the quality players to climb. They'd still get into the occasional crap match, but the player pool would be much smaller. The odds of having multiple people with low win rates on your team would be reduced, and the ones that you do get wouldn't sting your rank quite so badly. Further, anyone silver and up wouldn't have to live in fear of seeing the "Look Who's Coming for Dinner 1" achievement. Having an inexperienced player on your team is one thing, but having a totally fresh player is practically a guaranteed loss.
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    Last edited by Februs; 11-03-2016 at 04:03 AM.

  2. #12
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    SuperZay's Avatar
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    Violet Flower
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    Arcanist Lv 23
    One of possible explanations is by tiers they consider fixed numbers required for promotion like those you've mentioned (600, 1000 etc). So if a bronze is doing promotion, won 2/5 matches and has 650 rating, he's technically still bronze but system starts matching him with Golds like a Silver because of that 650.
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  3. #13
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    Kai Lee
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    Lancer Lv 70
    How much of this influx of players is because of this season rewards?
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    Nocte's Avatar
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    Yuumei Lucetius
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    Tonberry
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Kai_Lee View Post
    How much of this influx of players is because of this season rewards?
    I'd dare say a lot (given I'm one of them).
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  5. #15
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    Avalon1101's Avatar
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    Avalon Jinn
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    But this is just the beginning of the third season, maybe it'll be better when more ppl get higher tiers
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  6. #16
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    Guesswhat's Avatar
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    Aira Comet
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    Odin
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    This may be a screwup on SE's part. It may just be they meant adjacent tiers; not 1-tier gap.

    If they truly wanted 1-tier-max-gap then the tiers allowed in 1 match have to be determined by the 1st person queuing in the pool not similar to the 1st person queuing.

    Example:
    personA silver starts q.
    personB silver joins q.
    personC gold joins q. <- Tiers decided. Only gold and silver may join.

    Is this what you're looking for? If not, and it's tier based, both unranked and silver are adjacent to bronze.

    Or perhaps it's ordered in a way that the 2nd lowest and 2nd highest tiers are adjacent based while the rest are tier based? That could explain SE's note; they're just pulling a "technical". Something like this (hope it makes sense):
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    Last edited by Guesswhat; 11-03-2016 at 09:13 PM. Reason: wrong

  7. #17
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    FreeKingStefan's Avatar
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    King Stefan
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Guesswhat View Post
    Edit: I see I made some errors in that img. Whatever, I'm too lazy to correct it haha.
    This is where I wish I could downvote. Either correct it or remove it. There is already so much misinformation on these forums, and we don't need more.
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  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guesswhat View Post
    Or perhaps it's ordered in a way that the 2nd lowest and 2nd highest tiers are adjacent based while the rest are tier based? That could explain SE's note; they're just pulling a "technical".
    That "will match with similar tier" in note more likely means

    If the 1st person in que is silver(with rating points):
    People can get in this que must be bronze or gold
    If the 2 conditions meet:
    Calculate the sum of rating points of 2 sides respectively
    If the difference <= 100(or what ever)
    Matching success

    (Feel like just post few codes will be easier than saying them in sentences lol
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    Aira Comet
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    ok, sorry, image removed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Avalon1101 View Post
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    I read SE's note as a "adjacent tier system". Similar tier + adjacent tier is unambiguous in this context. The stuff I said at the end in my post was a way to explain how an "adjacent tier system" could sneak in if it's supposed to be a "max 2 tier system".

    including points in the equation seems like a no-brainer to me. Victory % rate should be thrown in there as well. Of course, I have no idea if SE consider these factors on match making, but I think it is safe to assume they at least try to make it better.
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    Last edited by Guesswhat; 11-03-2016 at 09:45 PM.

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    Koltik's Avatar
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    Koltik Morrel
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    Leviathan
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    Pugilist Lv 66
    Quote Originally Posted by Guesswhat View Post
    This may be a screwup on SE's part.

    If they truly wanted 1-tier-max-gap then the tiers allowed in 1 match have to be determined by the 1st person queuing in the pool not similar to the 1st person queuing.

    Example:
    personA silver starts q.
    personB silver joins q.
    personC gold joins q. <- Tiers decided. Only gold and silver may join.

    Is this what you're looking for?
    This is how it should be, this is how all of the PvPers want it to be, and this is how the patch notes says it is. But it's not.
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