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    Quote Originally Posted by Blood-Aki View Post
    Isn't this.. exactly how raiding works...? You get 7 other people who will for the most part, stay the same people you'll do the fights with. not to mention like 100+ is optional. and you can't solo or probably don't want to do it with random people, unless you get lucky.
    Raiding doesn't require that you complete with the same group, nor does it require a pre-made group at all.

    You can get a matched group through Raid Finder. You can complete A9S with 7 people and A10S with a completely different set of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    Raiding doesn't require that you complete with the same group, nor does it require a pre-made group at all.

    You can get a matched group through Raid Finder. You can complete A9S with 7 people and A10S with a completely different set of people.
    This was an addition made this tier, raiding has always worked with statics required before now, and even now there is a VERY low chance you will get any further than A9S with pug groups in raid finder due to the coordination involved.

    Make a party finder for a POTD leaderboard group and play with them. It's not hard. If you really want to do this then you should be willing to do at least that.

    Honestly a much better request would be not requiring you to restart from level 50 every time you wipe. So few people have time for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    This was an addition made this tier, raiding has always worked with statics required before now, and even now there is a VERY low chance you will get any further than A9S with pug groups in raid finder due to the coordination involved.
    Simply not true. You could PF raids dating back to T1, and then complete T2 with an entirely different party.
    Honestly a much better request would be not requiring you to restart from level 50 every time you wipe. So few people have time for that.
    Agreed, I think that there are a lot of very poor decisions made regarding the new POTD floors and their restrictions.

    Make a party finder for a POTD leaderboard group and play with them. It's not hard. If you really want to do this then you should be willing to do at least that.
    I don't really want to do it that badly, to be honest. I'd like to check it out, but the restrictions make it meh. It's really too bad, Square keeps developing content with a lot of promise, but then makes it restrictive or not fun somehow that completely ruins it. Despite them adding so much to the game, it feels like the game is getting smaller and smaller to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    Simply not true. You could PF raids dating back to T1, and then complete T2 with an entirely different party.
    T1 and T2 were the easiest of the path, and (except maybe t2 with playing hot potatato with rot.) Anyone could do those, but when it came to t4 and 5, (3 was an obvious joke) No way in hell would you do those with a random group due to how much coordination was needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blood-Aki View Post
    T1 and T2 were the easiest of the path, and (except maybe t2 with playing hot potatato with rot.) Anyone could do those, but when it came to t4 and 5, (3 was an obvious joke) No way in hell would you do those with a random group due to how much coordination was needed.
    This isn't a debate about difficulty, this is a debate about capability. In all raids since the beginning of raids, you were never forced to enter the 2nd floor/turn with the same group as the 1st (or the 5th with the same group as the 4th) etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    This isn't a debate about difficulty, this is a debate about capability. In all raids since the beginning of raids, you were never forced to enter the 2nd floor/turn with the same group as the 1st (or the 5th with the same group as the 4th) etc.
    My point was you aren't GOING to, of course you aren't forced, But, No one is going to do content with a group that they know will not accomplish anything. Floor 100+ is for the "hardcore" type, so they know the same rules may apply, You will want to do them with people you trust.

    One is locked out by force, the other is locked out by morality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blood-Aki View Post
    My point was you aren't GOING to, of course you aren't forced, But, No one is going to do content with a group that they know will not accomplish anything. Floor 100+ is for the "hardcore" type, so they know the same rules may apply, You will want to do them with people you trust.

    One is locked out by force, the other is locked out by morality.
    My point is that I'd like to be able to do floors 51-100 with whoever. 101-120 with X friends who are online, and then maybe 121-130 with Y friends who pop on. With my static, I know 7 talented other individuals that I could make 35 different party compositions with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blood-Aki View Post
    My point was you aren't GOING to, of course you aren't forced, But, No one is going to do content with a group that they know will not accomplish anything. Floor 100+ is for the "hardcore" type, so they know the same rules may apply, You will want to do them with people you trust.

    One is locked out by force, the other is locked out by morality.
    But our point is that you don't get the OPTION in Palace 101-200. At least allow the option for the brave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blood-Aki View Post

    One is locked out by force, the other is locked out by morality.
    Floors 101-110 have been solo'd, I don't see any legitimate reason for locking players out of 100+ if they wish to pug it, as players can pug savage content. I might not go in solo, but I definitely want to do floor 100+ with a friend and 2 other pugs (he's also interested) but we don't have two others who play at the same time constantly, so now a large amount of content is locked for no good reason.

    If people want to slam their face against 'impossible' odds, why not let them? Enforce a proper composition if you go in with a matched party and have a restriction on requiring +60 or over for your weapons and armour, easy as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    Simply not true. You could PF raids dating back to T1, and then complete T2 with an entirely different party.

    Agreed, I think that there are a lot of very poor decisions made regarding the new POTD floors and their restrictions.


    I don't really want to do it that badly, to be honest. I'd like to check it out, but the restrictions make it meh. It's really too bad, Square keeps developing content with a lot of promise, but then makes it restrictive or not fun somehow that completely ruins it. Despite them adding so much to the game, it feels like the game is getting smaller and smaller to me.
    TBH the fact that it's not possible to save pomanders between floor sets in a matched party makes it unviable to do them that way to begin with. I'd prefer this restriction to stay, because people who do it outside of a fixed party would be gimped pretty badly and then we'd get even more complaints about how it is 'impossible'.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    I understand why they did this, but I feel that the best option would be for players to be able to convert their matched party saves into a fixed party save once they reach floor 100 (or just allow players who beat floor 100 to start from floor 101 with a fixed party like how you can start from 51 if you beat floor 50).
    The reason you have to start at floor 51 is because floors 51 to 100 are counted for the leaderboard.

    Honestly don't like that myself, wish the leaderboard was only 101+, but alas.
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