What Skills/Trai should be Removed, Adjusted, or Added for the new 4.0 Battle System?

[Jetstream_Fox]

I'd completely scrap BRD

For starters I'd make one universal song that restores both TP and MP, add no DPS loss (MCH has no DPS loss using promotion)
Add a song for nonmagical debuffs to pair with Foes Requiem.
Remove Wanderers Minuet.
Rework Flaming Arrow to replace WM, make it so it is a toggled buff similar to Fists of Fire, it would take away auto attacks and remove cast bars.
Wide Volley would be reworked into a ground placed AoE.
Rain of Death would remain free cost, but have a 10 second CD and only usable under reworked Flaming Arrow.
Iron Jaws would restore Straight Shot as well as Venomous and Wind, but it would not be given critical Straight Shot damage if Straight Shot procs and Iron Jaws is used.

POSSIBLY
Give Voice of Valor (HP regen) Rentless March (Decrease CD timers) and Voice of Fortitude (damage resistance) as Jehantel uses these in the 2.0 BRD story.

[Remedi]

IMCH has no DPS loss using promotion

Afraid to say that turrets do not fire while under promotion as such they do have a dps loss during it (by how much I'll let a MCH main fill that one)

[Jetstream_Fox]

Afraid to say that turrets do not fire while under promotion as such they do have a dps loss during it (by how much I'll let a MCH main fill that one)

No, they lose the auto attack under Promotion, MCH doesn't take any % loss having the turret out at all. Even with Gauss Barrel, if a MCH has the turret out they gain back their auto attack.

I m wondering any time, where this misinformation actually come from. Its definitely not true.

Both turrets will not doing ANY damage when they are in their mana-/tp-regeneration-mode. That means you re losing about 13-15% of your DPS while recovering mana for other people.

EDIT:
While the auto does make a % yes, promotion doesn't weaken any weaponskill damage output, which is what I should have stated, so that's my fault, regardless though BRD losses the auto and also gets hit with a 10% reduction of damage across the board for Ballad and Paeon. So if we were to math using 13-15% auto loss on MCH, a BRD losses 23-25% for the same skill. A MCH still gets to keep their auto with GB on by just using the standard Rook, so even in that case a MCH potentially nets 45% more damage using GB which is the same skill as WM.

[Velhart]

No, they lose the auto attack under Promotion, MCH doesn't take any % loss having the turret out at all. Even with Gauss Barrel, if a MCH has the turret out they gain back their auto attack.

EDIT:
While the auto does make a % yes, promotion doesn't weaken any weaponskill damage output, which is what I should have stated, so that's my fault, regardless though BRD losses the auto and also gets hit with a 10% reduction of damage across the board for Ballad and Paeon. So if we were to math using 13-15% auto loss on MCH, a BRD losses 23-25% for the same skill. A MCH still gets to keep their auto with GB on by just using the standard Rook, so even in that case a MCH potentially nets 45% more damage using GB which is the same skill as WM.

MCH and BRD here. Both still have very close DPS when they are both using Ballad/Promotion. Difference is BRD's DPS is not dependent on a turret to give 15% of it's DPS. It already has it without an external source of DPS. If the turret is gone, the MCH rather in GB stance or not is losing 15% of their overall DPS.

You should probably check how these numbers work.

[Caitlyn]

MCH has no DPS loss using promotion

I m wondering any time, where this misinformation actually come from. Its definitely not true.

Both turrets will not doing ANY damage when they are in their mana-/tp-regeneration-mode. That means you re losing about 13-15% of your DPS while recovering mana for other people.

@Eul: Love your sig. Cannot be unseen xD

[HyoMinPark]

I'd completely scrap BRD

Why? BRD is perfectly fine as it is now. D: I love my BRD, and don't want it to change so drastically. It was a bit to get used to 50-60 BRD (though now I love it and feel naked without my 52-60 skills). Don't know how I would feel if they reworked the entire job, though SE probably won't.

For starters I'd make one universal song that restores both TP and MP, add no DPS loss (MCH has no DPS loss using promotion)

This is incorrect. MCH lost their turret's auto-attacks when their turret has been promoted to restore TP or MP. A MCH's turret makes up about 15% of their overall DPS, GB or no GB. So, to say that they don't suffer a DPS loss is incorrect. BRD loses 10% overall DPS when playing Mage's/Army's. Already less DPS loss than a MCH.

Add a song for nonmagical debuffs to pair with Foes Requiem.

This I can get behind. I would love to see a song that affects physical resistance of bosses. I don't think they would ever combine Foe's to do both (would probably consider it "too OP, must nerf"), but I would love to see a separate song integrated into a BRDs toolkit to give a boost to physical damage dealers, and not just casters.

Remove Wanderers Minuet.

Afraid to say that it's not likely they'll remove it. Especially since the developers consider it one of a BRDs "Tricks of the Trade" (as listed in the official lorebook). I personally don't mind and love my WM. I feel stronger with it (and it was a DPS increase for BRD, since it augments our damage enough to replace the loss we suffered from losing auto-attacks, and more), and would prefer them to keep it. Most BRDs that dislike WM so much are the one's who complain about lack of mobility, but there is absolutely no reason to run amok around a boss's arena, or endlessly be kiting mobs. The cast bars don't bother me, as I play healers a lot of the time, and are used to cast bars. I still manage to dodge attacks, and upkeep my DPS just fine with WM on (I know some BRDs stance-dance, but I don't think it would be that effective, considering the recast on WM, and the fact that your damage will go down significantly by taking it off--and you lose access to Empyreal Arrow).

Rework Flaming Arrow to replace WM, make it so it is a toggled buff similar to Fists of Fire, it would take away auto attacks and remove cast bars.
Wide Volley would be reworked into a ground placed AoE.
Rain of Death would remain free cost, but have a 10 second CD and only usable under reworked Flaming Arrow.

Care to elaborate on this? Flaming Arrow is our ground AOE. Why should it be reworked into a buff like Fists of Fire? They aren't close to being similar. I'm curious to know why you would want this change. Wide Volley, while it costs more TP than Quick Nock, I find more effective because I can still keep a distance from mobs, and not have to worry and make sure they're in my AOE cone. But this is just me. I also don't see how restricting Rain of Death would be better than it is now. I know some have complained about it sharing a recast timer with Bloodletter, but I don't really understand that complaint--if proc, RoD if 3+ mobs, Bloodletter if there's only 1-2. It's essentially a free AOE, and it gives an evasion down debuff on all mobs that it hits. We already have Empyreal Arrow and Iron Jaws restricted my WM (understandable, given that we should be using WM by the time we get both)--I don't like the idea of restricting another skill.

Iron Jaws would restore Straight Shot as well as Venomous and Wind, but it would not be given critical Straight Shot damage if Straight Shot procs and Iron Jaws is used.

To have Iron Jaws refresh 2 DoTs and a self-buff, SE would probably say, again, "too OP, must nerf." And are you saying that if it did refresh all 3, if Straighter Shot just so happens to proc during the refresh (we all know how Straighter Shot loves to pick the worst times to proc), we lose the proc? Or just that the refresh won't be critical, and we get to keep our proc to use at a later time?

POSSIBLY
Give Voice of Valor (HP regen) Rentless March (Decrease CD timers) and Voice of Fortitude (damage resistance) as Jehantel uses these in the 2.0 BRD story.

I would like to see some more song options for BRD. An HP regen song would be nice--make the regen less potent than a healer's Medica II/Aspected Helios AOE regen tick, and reduce DPS dealt by 10% like the rest of our songs (sans Foe's), and I think that would satisfy SE into not wanting to nerf it. I mean, for the longest time, BRDs did have healer LB, so. ;p