Paladin Opener

[SpookyGhost]

RoH as MT isn't really a sin, yeah, and I'd even recommend using it during prog - but after you and your healers get more comfortable with the fight it becomes a lot less worthwhile vs the damage you'd gain by not using it. I will say that it is strong against physical tank busters and, especially during prog, you'll want to apply it for those but otherwise it's just mitigating auto attacks which really aren't doing much to begin with and it's doing nothing if the autos/tank busters are magical. I guess to put it in a less black and white way is: If you're MTing and you feel like you (+ your healers) need the STR debuff more than your damage contribution, then use it in place of an RA - just don't use it as OT at all pls. :^P

[Lambdafish]

otherwise it's just mitigating auto attacks which really aren't doing much to begin with

You do realise that the damage reduction adds up when you take into account auto attack damage mitigated on top of attack damage mitigated right? You should be using RoH on most current content (especially savage raiding) that it is relevant to. You are not a DPS, and while tanks shouldn't be lazy with tank DPS, mitigating when possible is always better than pushing your DPS (especially on PLD, whose DPS contribution isn't great to begin with).

A6S is probably the best example of a clearly demonstrable fight to talk about this. On Brawler, you use my rotation in which you use RoH all the time, on Blaster, you do not use RoH and instead use RA (for a DRK and delirium, this would be the inverse)

[SpookyGhost]

You do realise that the damage reduction adds up when you take into account auto attack damage mitigated on top of attack damage mitigated right? You should be using RoH on most current content (especially savage raiding) that it is relevant to. You are not a DPS, and while tanks shouldn't be lazy with tank DPS, mitigating when possible is always better than pushing your DPS (especially on PLD, whose DPS contribution isn't great to begin with).

A6S is probably the best example of a clearly demonstrable fight to talk about this. On Brawler, you use my rotation in which you use RoH all the time, on Blaster, you do not use RoH and instead use RA (for a DRK and delirium, this would be the inverse)

In a world where fairy heals + Regen + Med 2 don't account (near) fully for auto attack damage by default, I would agree. I'm not too familiar with the inner workings of AST but afaik they have something similar. RoH's mitigation would have to actually add up to enough that it would save a healer a GCD of healing to convert into damage, and even then you're looking at a 90 potency loss every single time you need to apply RoH. Again, it's not a cardinal sin but you're not realistically gaining anything by doing it.

However RoH has a bit more merit on things like Brawler in A6S, Might in A12S, that purple Faust in A9S, etc. due to a variety of case-specific reasons. Just in general practice it doesn't do anything worthwhile for auto attacks since they're already negated just by passive healing that's going to be around whether you use RoH or not.

Also RE: "PLD doesn't do much DPS anyway so what's the point" -> That's not a good way to think about DPS. You take all the DPS from everyone, throw them in a big pile, and then you figure out how you can make that number go up. If RoH's mitigation makes that number go up more than RA's contribution, then RoH is better - I really don't believe that to be the case, though.