Should Cleric Stance be disabled in party instances?

[Cynfael]

As I said above, I am not saying to remove CS altogether Just disable it in party instances. Healers would still be able to use it outside them.

"Just disable it in party instances" = leaving a lot of previously proactive, productive healers standing around doing nothing for no reason other than to make players who currently refuse to utilize Cleric Stance feel better and avoid possible criticism (note: I don't support harassing other players for this choice; I don't like or respect it, but I rarely offer any criticism of players I encounter in DF unless they're causing a truly serious problem).

Without Cleric Stance, healers who are skilled, know the content, and are running with average or better parties are minimally challenged and entertained IMO. When you know the choreography of an encounter and have a party that doesn't make frequent and tragic mistakes, there's nothing left to do but contribute supporting DPS between meeting healing requirements. Trying to DPS in higher level content without Cleric Stance is so ineffective that you almost might as well be striking poses instead.

Yes, a more healing intensive meta could change things somewhat, but I maintain that they couldn't do much to increase healing requirements in more casual content without making the healer role too stressful for the "average" player considering that many players in this game are extremely casual and that the healer role carries a fairly big responsibility despite the arguable ease of doing the actual healing.

[DeadRiser]

If they make party instances like raids where majority of time spent is healing, then I'll say "errr ok".

But if all content is how it is now, hell no.

[Rennies]

What raids even have you spending most of your time healing? o.o

I'm so glad that the people asking for CS's removal (without Mind being the new damage stat) will not be acknowledged by the devs. Disgusting idea.

[Urthdigger]

I wonder, do the people asking for Cleric's Stance's removal SERIOUSLY want the ENTIRE game to have content that pours out damage so fast that constant healing is REQUIRED to keep even a tank using cooldowns upright?

Either that, or they want us all to sit around with our thumbs up our asses most of the dungeon.

[Caitlyn]

Nearly any Level 60 is a joke (for healers). You have to heal only once every 3 minutes or so. If you even have a skilled tank, you dont even need to heal anything because of their selfheal abilities.

The very last dungeon, which I remembered as kinda fun and challenging as a healer was the Vault. I would like to have at least one Level 60 dungeon, where the tank gets punched in the face so hard, that he needs my attention all of the time.

[Celef]

Honestly, if cleric stance was removed, I would stop playing my healers.
Why ? Because I love the stance dance of course ! It gives you a challenge, especially if your tank is stuffed and know how to use his/hers CD. Just healing in that kind of group would be soooooo boring, it would be like : 1 heal - /dance - 1 heal - /dance....not very exciting ^^"

Plus depending the healer, you may not need to heal at all, most of the time when I SCH I DPS all the time cause eos does the job perfectly fine so you would end up with healer /follow afk.

Personnaly, when I don't heal as long as the healer does is job, I don't really care if he uses CS to DPS or no but as a healer, please don't remove that funny part of my gameplay ! :3 (plus I like to scare tank by letting them go down 10% and then, Benediction ! :3 )

[NorthernLadMSP]

No, absolutely not.

I will quit playing healer if they remove Cleric in instances.

[Beam1249]

No, I don't like it should be removed from dungeons and trials.

It's an option to use in our tool kit. If you don't want to use it, don't. Don't take it away from every other healer who enjoys it though. Wanting to remove an option because you don't enjoy it seems selfish.

I don't support the harassment that comes to healers that don't use CS, but I think there's much better options to deal with this. Ignoring them, blacklisting and reporting players are all available options. I sometimes run with a SCH who doesn't use CS. I've never once seen anyone even mention anything about him not using it, so I also don't see this as a huge problem plaguing the game.

[basketofseals]

I wonder, do the people asking for Cleric's Stance's removal SERIOUSLY want the ENTIRE game to have content that pours out damage so fast that constant healing is REQUIRED to keep even a tank using cooldowns upright?

I don't want cleric stance removed, but I KINDA would like that. At least sometime. I have a LOT more fun in The Vault and The Aetherochemical Research Facility. In those dungeons you're healing a decent amount, and squeezing in damage when you can. With some encounters it seems like you're dealing damage most of the time and just squeezing in as little healing as possible.

[Averax]

I don't want cleric stance removed, but I KINDA would like that. At least sometime. I have a LOT more fun in The Vault and The Aetherochemical Research Facility. In those dungeons you're healing a decent amount, and squeezing in damage when you can. With some encounters it seems like you're dealing damage most of the time and just squeezing in as little healing as possible.

I also want more damage going out, i like to heal, i really like the act of healing, it's fun. I don't really like having to dps as a healer, but i like how it's there so i'm doing something. Without cleric stance i'd be AFK /following the tank.

Seriously, the SCH dps rotation is boring as bathwater though. At least on AST/WHM you have an aoe nuke, you can achieve the same effect on SCH but it's sooooooo sloooooow and half the mobs are dead once all your dots are up and spread.

I sometimes just get so burned out on it that i do just stand there and do nothing because it's better than slooooooowwwllyy appppllllyyyyinnng thhhhooooosssseee dottttttssssss and spaaaaaammminnnng brooooooilllll.