Should Cleric Stance be disabled in party instances?

[Canadane]

The way the game is set up, everyone is a DPS with slightly altered responsibilities.
Healers DPS and heal. Tanks DPS and maintain enmity. DDs push the damage the most.

While some don't like this, I'd find the alternative pretty boring if you ask me!

[basketofseals]

Having abilities be cut off from you in dungeons feels super artificial. I can stomach it in PvP because balance is a fickle mistress, but we should have our entire toolkit available in PvE encounters.

[Myrhn]

As much as I hate the "requirement" for healers to dps I would never be on board with your suggestion. I understand there are different playstyles and to each there own. I also to, when i fill like it or with FC or friends, go the dps route. People just need to take it easy take a step back and be reminded that is a game not a race.

[Midori_Nabooru]

No. There is not one piece of content in this game that requires the FULL attention of the healer(s) to only focus on healing. DPS without Cleric would be worthless and cause people to reroll something besides a healer, causing a lack of healers or people to just quit all together.

The only change Cleric needs is accuracy to be added into it, that is if SE keeps that stat going into 4.0

[bardaboo]

Yes... i DO want dungeons to take a lot longer.

[Supersun]

I mean honestly, if Healers didn't have Clerics stance I wouldn't be surprised if some FCs or LSs would intentionally run with Pld and 3 DPS instead in most 4 man dungeons since that healer would essentially be a waste of space with a competent group.

It's already at a point where good tanks can already keep themselves alive, and that's kinda the point. The difficulty of healing a dungeon lies 99% on the tank, if you have a good tank then the healer can DPS more because he doesn't need as much healing. By removing CS you not only remove skillful play for healing (Xelphatol can be healed without using a single GCD for healing on Sch for example. Without Cleric's stance I could literally auto follow the tank with netflix up with just a button press occasionally), but you also remove skillful play from the tank as well as what every tank is now just going to do is get as much hate as is required and remove their tanking stance since having the tanking stance up is a waste if the healer is sitting there doing nothing anyway.

All healing would come down to is whether you are geared enough to cure bomb a tank doing the biggest pull possible in DPS stance, and people complaining if you don't have the ilvl required to keep up with the damage. Your skill would directly correlate to what clothes you wear (and the tank) as there is nothing challenging about spamming heals on a tank in a normal dungeon...

[GeekMatt]

AST DPS combo is extremely dull, remove Cleric stance altogether and I'll be bored to tears in anything that isn't Savage. Losing Cleric would be a hit to our jobs' potential, a hit to their depth (simplifying/watering down the role), and worst of all—I'd be bored a lot. I'd even lose interest in DPSing because the skill involved would be lost.

I've always said, healing is the most exciting/boring role in the game. Let's not make the lulls worse

[FoxyAreku]

Of course not. This would make 1/3rd of your skills (heck, half of them or more as scholar) completely useless.

Only thing even similar to this that I would like is if they just went and made healer damage scale with mind by default.

[KikodeYusaku]

There is absolutely no reason to do this. I have never seen anyone complaining about lack of healer dps (other than a slight "this would be quicker if the healer was DPSing but it's okay" comment), but I see constant streams of people wanting healers' ability to do damage completely removed from the game. It turns into an issue of wanting to control how a large group of people play just because of a small minority. Frankly, knowing when you can afford to deal some damage between healing is an integral part of being a good healer, if there were no damage abilities healers would simply be idle half the time waiting for HP to drop. It's just the wrong way to go about things.

[magnanimousCynic]

I can't believe people (once again!) took the bait that is platorepublic and his whack-job idea that healers should never have to do damage. His most infamous idea being a healer with ZERO dps skills, with the privilege of either skipping MSQ battles or having an NPC that does damage for them. His other "suggestion" includes this post too and an earlier post of his, being the removal of Cleric Stance from duties because healers shouldn't dps for some reason.

He's been parroting this ridiculous ideal for a while now. I'm surprised no one else has called him out on this.

Please make a healing class that is only dedicated to healing/buffing/debuffing!!

AST is close, good job, so something along those lines, without the RNG.

(Plus I do not want to unlock other classes to play it, so AST was also a good job in terms of that!)

Well if it is a new class [Healer with 0 DPS abilities], this would be only unlocked at later stage. And every MSQ after this stage would have NPCs dedicated for this class to heal to complete it.

Maybe they should disable cleric stance in duties.

And maybe for MSQ, if you use a healer, you can automatically skip the parts that require you to dps.

Healer's job is to heal. DPS is mostly for when you do solo content - I mean you are called a healer for a reason.......................................

Cleric stance is for try hards and nerds who need to get a life.

It's time to stop feeding him attention on this topic. If you see him make another thread with an idea pertaining to healers and making them do less or no damage, just laugh and move on.