Lore Book Revelations

[Balipu]

Pretty sure I saw them all in the book - even if it was just a little bit of information on each. I haven't read through it all yet though.

Yeah I know. But I don't have the book. And I couldn't find scans about any of them. Judging from the Oboro and Karasu entries Yugiri Mistwalker is not Yugiri's actual full name. For Rowena the question is her aim with all the tomestones, for the Mandervilles....mostly more info on the Gold Saucer and maybe any hints at more family members. Is Hildibrand an only child? Is there a grandmother or someone even Julyen is affrain of?

I think Balipu worded it awkwardly

Please don't say that. I have a degree in linguistics. Sure it is still present so it isn't literally destroyed, but it is irreversably lost to the darkness. For all intents and purposes it is gone.

[FJerome]

Yeah I know. But I don't have the book. And I couldn't find scans about any of them. Judging from the Oboro and Karasu entries Yugiri Mistwalker is not Yugiri's actual full name. For Rowena the question is her aim with all the tomestones, for the Mandervilles....mostly more info on the Gold Saucer and maybe any hints at more family members. Is Hildibrand an only child? Is there a grandmother or someone even Julyen is affrain of?

If Yugiri has a family/clan name the Lore Book doesn't give it.

Rowena genuinely doesn't seem to be doing anything with the tomestones but selling them, the more interesting question is who's she selling them to. The section on Allagan Chimera talks about how scholars thought creatures like Hydra were natural until they started deciphering the tomestones so I suspect that our ultimate buyers may be Sharlayan.

Julyan is afraid of aging. Despite being a mother to a man of twenty-three summers she claims to still be a very young woman and it is extremely dangerous to suggest that she owes her fresh looks to the best alchemical creams and tonics the Manderville fortune can buy.

[Balipu]

If Yugiri has a family/clan name the Lore Book doesn't give it.

Rowena genuinely doesn't seem to be doing anything with the tomestones but selling them, the more interesting question is who's she selling them to. The section on Allagan Chimera talks about how scholars thought creatures like Hydra were natural until they started deciphering the tomestones so I suspect that our ultimate buyers may be Sharlayan.

Julyan is afraid of aging. Despite being a mother to a man of twenty-three summers she claims to still be a very young woman and it is extremely dangerous to suggest that she owes her fresh looks to the best alchemical creams and tonics the Manderville fortune can buy.

Wow. Thanks, you are my hero. Any indication of what Yugiri was the Lady of? She leads the refugees, sure but did she lead Doma as well?

Twenty-three summers? Godbert? Seven hells! How often do they have summers there? I'm twenty five years old.

[PArcher]

Wow. Thanks, you are my hero. Any indication of what Yugiri was the Lady of? She leads the refugees, sure but did she lead Doma as well?

Twenty-three summers? Godbert? Seven hells! How often do they have summers there? I'm twenty five years old.

Godbert is 56 or 58 I believe. Its Hildy that's 23...

[FJerome]

Wow. Thanks, you are my hero. Any indication of what Yugiri was the Lady of? She leads the refugees, sure but did she lead Doma as well?

"Having thus mastered ninjutsu and being given the epithet "Mistwalker", she pledged herself to the remnants of the Doman general's clan. Thereafter, she waged a war against the Garlean Army. Alas, the rebellion ended in defeat, and the Domans lost everything. Obeying her lord's orders, Yugiri led a number of her countrymen in flight."

. . . I really look forward to seeing what the Japanese phrasing of that text is because I would bet cold hard gil that they're going to call her lord "Shogun" instead of the vaguer "Doman general".

[Alberel]

Uh, which one was confirmed to be a corrupted WoL again?

Chuchulain, he is described as one of the champions of the 13th that was corrupted by auracite. This description matches exactly with Unukulhai's story. Neither explicitly use the term 'Warrior of Light' but the 'champions' or 'great warriors' of the various worlds are likely to be their equivalent of us. The fact that they were capable of slaughtering primals en masse, as per Unukulhai's story, means they almost certainly posessed the Echo at the very least.

Please don't say that. I have a degree in linguistics. Sure it is still present so it isn't literally destroyed, but it is irreversably lost to the darkness. For all intents and purposes it is gone.

I meant no offense in saying that. Your statement was ambiguous though as it is debatable whether Rejoined worlds could also be considered 'destroyed' or not. That was the point that caused confusion. I merely expanded on your argument. I understood what you meant, but others did not.

[Balipu]

I know. And this isn't how I act when I am actually hurt. It really was oddly worded. But you know, professional pride and all that. I think rejoined worlds are definitely destroyed. But I don't know if any world rejoined at all. I mean Nabriales wanted to make the next rejoining so it stands for reason that there was a previous one, but the way I understand is: rejoining is just another word for calamity. I mean there are fourteen worlds in total and we had like, how many calamities here on Hydaelin? six? The total number of calamities overall should approach a hundred, yet Zodiark is still sleeping.

[Anonymoose]

I feel like the semantics might be getting weird. Hopefully I can help instead of make things worse:

Rejoined worlds are often called "destroyed" by NPCS (in multiple languages). The entire dimension is collapsed back into the Source, killing everyone and everything there and causing all of that aether to be rejoined to the original dimension. This has happened seven times. Seven planes of existence have been entirely destroyed.

(1 Source + 13 Shards) - 7 Rejoinings = 1 Source and Six Shards

Why? Because that's how much aether it takes to awaken an entity on par with Hydaelyn Herself.

The void (aka the Thirteenth) has not been dimensionally compressed; it's still there. Thus it probably doesn't count as one of the seven, but one of the six. That one dimension, a void, is now just worthless to Zodiark; its aether has been shorn away. Could it be the other way around and the victim of awkward wording? Perhaps. But the claims seem rather specific: The void is still a dimension, just one devoid of aether - devoid of light - where no life or death exists and all that was has become starved and monstrous. Destroyed? Yeah, pretty much. But a different kind of destroyed. Lost to void vs. lost to oblivion.

If Ascians get people to summon primals on the Shards, and Hydaelyn calls champions there, it's probably safe to assume that Calamities happen there, too. The point is to weaken the walls between that dimension and the Source, calling the shard to collapse back inward.

Did the First experience a calamity every time the Source did, or (if the Flood of Light did not begin) would it have only seen the one? I have no idea. They haven't really been clear about that yet. If I had to guess, I'd assume the Source gets a Calamity every time a world is rejoined to it, but a shard only gets its one calamity when it is destroyed.

Can't stress enough, though, that this is all terminology and knowledge as of today.

It might change, it might get more specific.

[Alberel]

Did the First experience a calamity every time the Source did, or (if the Flood of Light did not begin) would it have only seen the one? I have no idea. They haven't really been clear about that yet. If I had to guess, I'd assume the Source gets a Calamity every time a world is rejoined to it, but a shard only gets its one calamity when it is destroyed.

This makes the most sense IMO as it would explain how the specific shard to be Rejoined is actually chosen.

[FJerome]

Did the First experience a calamity every time the Source did, or (if the Flood of Light did not begin) would it have only seen the one? I have no idea. They haven't really been clear about that yet. If I had to guess, I'd assume the Source gets a Calamity every time a world is rejoined to it, but a shard only gets its one calamity when it is destroyed.

It's interesting where this all puts the Divine Chronicles of Mezaya Thousand Eyes, who is now increasingly looking like the Nostradamus of Eorzea - occasionally right, but mostly by virtue of coincidence and confirmation bias?

I'm also curious how far the Sunder extends, mostly because Midgardsormr seems to come from beyond it. It goes pretty far out, given Zodiark's time-out in the moon, but how much further? We know the Allagans had a space program, did their interstellar probes ever start sending back some really weird readings?